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Hi,

The restoration of my beloved k9 is nearing the end...but I am just a bit worried as it has a non original flatbed fitted rather than a radio body, with this be likely to cause issues when I have the mvt come and inspect the old girl to get an age certificate so I can apply for a v5??

Other than the bed its all original...

Thanks

Martin

P.s. I'm trying to get a radio body but the owners much prefer there generator to live in it... People eh!!

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This post that I've copied from the Austin Seven Friends forum will hopefully be helpful.

 

Re: Beware when building A7 specials!

On careful reading of the DVLA website the crucial form is V627/1

which can be found at:-https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/278783/V627X1_270913.pdf

It lists the major components they want answers for and states:

"Chassis/bodyshell" - top of the column has the words "delete as appropriate".

Surely in our case the chassis and its date and number are required and the word bodyshell is deleted.

You also need all the information to register a new vehicle and an inspection report from your A7 club DVLA representative.

Newer monocoque vehicles would delete chassis and quote body id.

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This post that I've copied from the Austin Seven Friends forum will hopefully be helpful.

 

Re: Beware when building A7 specials!

On careful reading of the DVLA website the crucial form is V627/1

which can be found at:-https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/278783/V627X1_270913.pdf

It lists the major components they want answers for and states:

"Chassis/bodyshell" - top of the column has the words "delete as appropriate".

Surely in our case the chassis and its date and number are required and the word bodyshell is deleted.

You also need all the information to register a new vehicle and an inspection report from your A7 club DVLA representative.

Newer monocoque vehicles would delete chassis and quote body id.

 

He is not building a special

The verification process will confirm the chassis number the make and the date of manufacture

The DVLA require that the vehicle is reasonably complete and represents the vehicle it purports to be

If all this is OK a dating letter will be issued and will be submitted along with a V55/5 form for first registration

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He is not building a special

The verification process will confirm the chassis number the make and the date of manufacture

The DVLA require that the vehicle is reasonably complete and represents the vehicle it purports to be

If all this is OK a dating letter will be issued and will be submitted along with a V55/5 form for first registration

 

Thanks folks. That clears it up in my book.. :) next question??how reasonably complete is reasonably complete????!!! It currently starts,drives and stops....but there's some welding left to do and no wiring\indicators...it would be nice to get the ball rolling dvlawise as I'm sure I'll be finished before they even look at my paperwork!!!

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He is not building a special

The verification process will confirm the chassis number the make and the date of manufacture

The DVLA require that the vehicle is reasonably complete and represents the vehicle it purports to be

If all this is OK a dating letter will be issued and will be submitted along with a V55/5 form for first registration

 

Thanks folks. That clears it up in my book.. :) next question??how reasonably complete is reasonably complete????!!! It currently starts,drives and stops....but there's some welding left to do and no wiring\indicators...it would be nice to get the ball rolling dvlawise as I'm sure I'll be finished before they even look at my paperwork!!!

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You've effectively got the original vehicle as it came from the factory. DVLA aren't going to care that's it's got a non-factory body on since half of them came out of the factory as chassis & cab anyway, and they're not going to care that it's missing minor bits & pieces. I've registered a K9 with no body, no wiring and no cab interior before now.

 

All they're trying to establish is that there are enough of the original major units - chassis, body, axles, engine, transmission - there to allow them to confirm that it's the original vehicle, issue an age related plate and not be in a position where they're effectively authenticating a bitzer.

 

The form that MatchFuzee links to, as Brooky says, is not relevant here; it's for vehicles built up from parts of a number of different vehicles from across the production run, or vehicles substantially modified from original; for example a Ford hot rod where the front axle might be Viva, the back axle Jaguar, the engine from a completely different Ford, the body and chassis from different cars, and so on.

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He is not building a special

The verification process will confirm the chassis number the make and the date of manufacture

The DVLA require that the vehicle is reasonably complete and represents the vehicle it purports to be

If all this is OK a dating letter will be issued and will be submitted along with a V55/5 form for first registration

 

If you read the whole thread it covers more than just specials:-

 

http://pub25.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=2099944454&frmid=5&msgid=990301&cmd=show

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If you read the whole thread it covers more than just specials:-

 

http://pub25.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=2099944454&frmid=5&msgid=990301&cmd=show

 

This link is about cars and body changes, I fail to see how a lorry with its original unaltered cab can be judged by the discussion on the Austin Seven forum. A commercial vehicle in its life can have various changes, from van body to platform or whatever, it is a form of tractor moving differing kinds of loads around and are mostly produced from the factory as Cab Chassis, as the Austin K9 was, it then went to bodybuilders for whatever role it was intended for. This Austin Seven example is only muddying the waters.

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This link is about cars and body changes, I fail to see how a lorry with its original unaltered cab can be judged by the discussion on the Austin Seven forum. A commercial vehicle in its life can have various changes, from van body to platform or whatever, it is a form of tractor moving differing kinds of loads around and are mostly produced from the factory as Cab Chassis, as the Austin K9 was, it then went to bodybuilders for whatever role it was intended for. This Austin Seven example is only muddying the waters.

 

My intention was not to "muddy the waters" but just to show that by completing DVLA form V627/1 as described on the Austin 7 forum, minidaffy should not have a problem with his non original flatbed fitted rather than a radio body and therefore result in the original or age related plate being issued. Although the route that he is already following will hopefully be successful.

 

Every post that I have submit to this forum has always been done with the best of intentions and not meant to cause confusion or add disinformation to the post. Before I reply to any other post I must think would I be better to just send a PM.

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Many thanks folks, I think my best actions would be to speak with the current mvt inspector and ask their views on what constitutes a complete vehicle then follow his/hers recommendations... At the end of the day its all up the them! From what I can see I should have no problem with the flatbed, or incomplete vehicle but its up to the inspector as to what constitutes a vehicle worthy of verification. If I have to do more work to it then so be it!! Thank you all for your insights and contributions..

Martin

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It is interesting to read of the confusions that arise in the UK regards rebuilding bodies.

Here in NZ the chassis number is the all important factor in vintage id. As of the "period of time" is the critical term.

The link to the Austin 7 pages does show the problem is body design, then the interpretation of the officials, in the same manner as a truck cab could be changed about.

HCV do undergo changes. A damaged cab can be replaced with another, not being the same model or make even. Is this any different to the cars ( RR, Damiler etc) that were produced with the body placed upon it from a specialist body constructor.Then years latter the car is returned to the body builder for a more updated body to be installed.

We still have problems here, again its the interpretation of the rules.

Doug

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Doug, I don't think there is a confusion really. If it's essentially a complete vehicle, as with this chassis and cab K9, there's no issue at all. It's only when the vehicle is built from bits of several other vehicles, as might be the case with a 'bitzer' restoration, a kit car or a special, that things get more difficult. That's because the licencing authorities are worried about two things; first, getting the age right, and second, not inadvertently laundering a stolen vehicle.

 

They ask about the originality / source of the chassis, body and major units as they give a weighting to each of these when deciding how original the vehicle is and thus whether it can be given an age related registration; the biggest weighting being given to the chassis or unitary body, if I remember right. The chassis number is king here as well.

 

You're right about the interpretation of the rules though, and one of the big issues with road vehicle legislation for us is the interpretation of areas of the regulations which are not well defined, and the changes in that interpretation over time.

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Hello minidaffy,

 

As it is long time since your last post on this thread, I was wondering if you have now got a registration number on the K9.

 

Hi, unfortunately due to many reasons this project has been at a bit of a standstill for a while.. I am keen to get back on it but time and money are hard to get hold of at the moment!!

As soon as there's any progress I shall keep you informed on how it goes :)

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