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    Default Ww2 phillips mk. V military infantry bicycle

    Is this a Philips MK5 Infantry bike ? or just a civilian bike painted green ? what would be the distinguishing feature's if any ?
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    Default Re: Ww2 phillips mk. V military infantry bicycle

    To start with, having front and back stirrup brakes. It would be a Mk V*. The Mk V had a coaster rear brake.
    http://oldbike.wordpress.com/1939-19...tary-roadster/
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    Default Re: Ww2 phillips mk. V military infantry bicycle

    If it has 26" wheels, and it looks like it, then it's postwar, wartime bikes all had 28"wheels.

    Cheers,

    Lex
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    Default Re: Ww2 phillips mk. V military infantry bicycle

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony B View Post
    To start with, having front and back stirrup brakes. It would be a Mk V*. The Mk V had a coaster rear brake.
    http://oldbike.wordpress.com/1939-19...tary-roadster/
    Hi Tony I thought you might come to my rescue but I'm a tad confused with your answer, are you saying a MK5 does have front and rear stirrup brakes or a rear coaster brake ?
    I always thought that they only a front brake lever but looking at the link you posted it shows 2 levers on the handle bars.
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    Default Re: Ww2 phillips mk. V military infantry bicycle

    Quote Originally Posted by welbike View Post
    If it has 26" wheels, and it looks like it, then it's postwar, wartime bikes all had 28"wheels.

    Cheers,

    Lex
    Hi Lex are you sure about the wheel size as this link from the BSA Museum shows the MK5 having 26" wheels http://bsamuseum.wordpress.com/1939-...tary-roadster/
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    1942 1 Ton 7KW Generator Trailer.
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    Default Re: Ww2 phillips mk. V military infantry bicycle

    Ian, the mark V had a coaster brake on the back so only one brake lever. Pedal backwards for rear brake. The Mk V* had the two brake levers. So yours would be a Mk V*. As for wheel size, that can vary. Seems to be what was available at the time. Are the tyres marked ?
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    Default Re: Ww2 phillips mk. V military infantry bicycle

    Ian and Tony,

    Have done a lot of research on these, and years ago looked into a WW2 parts list, and no 26" wheels were mentioned, and have watched the big sell out of these from the Belgium Army in the 80's and never seen 26" wheels on them, later in the 90's all these glossy green Phillips ones were for sale at Beltring, for very little money, and did buy 2 at the time for spares.

    So as to the the above link, of the 1939 one, if you look closely, the same deep bronze green is under the matte paint, and for me that is also a postwar indication.

    But I could well be wrong, and if anyone finds some conclusive proof, I stand to be corrected.

    Just found on another forum, a post by Johan Willeart (of H-D fame) that only MKVI bicycles had 26" wheels, will ask him about it.

    Here my 1946 V.A.O.S. that does mention the 26"wheels and tyres;





    Here my spares chest, clearly postwar, and carries 26"spare tubes;













    I won't bore you with too many pictures, but here some WW2 b/w ones, all big wheels;





    As you all probably know, only the rear carriers were dated, and no lists of framenumbers with contract dates exist, but a friend is looking in the N.A. so who knows what might turn up?

    Cheers,

    Lex
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    Default Re: Ww2 phillips mk. V military infantry bicycle

    Found some more b/w pictures,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian L View Post
    Is this a Philips MK5 Infantry bike ? or just a civilian bike painted green ? what would be the distinguishing feature's if any ?
    Ian, further to Lex's excellent input, I found out earlier these bikes were also referred to as "Trade Pattern" bicycles and/or contracts referred to "Contractor's standard specification". This means the military bikes were indeed basically civilian bicycles, with some military features like paint, rear cargo carrier and rifle brackets.

    The basic design was the
    English "Roadster" type, an old-fashioned style of bicycle popular in the countryside. They usually had 28 x 1-1/2" wheels with Westwood rims, long cranks and long wheelbases, and very shallow frame angles (68 degrees or less). Roadsters used "roller-lever" brakes operated by rods. Roadsters were built for durability above all else, and were intended to be able to cope with dirt roads, cobblestones and unpaved footpaths, with a bare minimum of maintenance. No serious attempt was made to save weight in their design or construction.
    With those design requirements in mind, one can understand why the military ordered "trade pattern" roadsters - they fitted the bill for a sturdy bike perfectly.

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    Default Re: Ww2 phillips mk. V military infantry bicycle

    We picked one up last year and been meaning to ask some details. 28in wheels. Mk4B on the rack but can't find much reference. Also RAF stamped? Several other number stampings but don't have clear photos.




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