question Frame number puzzle

Hello,well I want to share the following info with all of you . I have late 43 GPW which buy 37 years ago and I wonder if also belonged to the British Army from there came to my country, upload pics in different places maybe some of you saw them and resulted a not clear answer for that.I get the impression that this jeep was re-stamping in UK more than anything for the 1/2 the ZC and a 5 digits number. The original paint was dark blue and then green bottle also on the original grille found blue paint like RAF jeeps,anyway that number could be from fabric,GPW jeeps late 43 were precomposites mixtures from ford &willys,also with 5 digits numbers and dark blue green forest paint use in the USMC and USN. if somebody are interested in this issue I offer all about this jeep info you need, add some pics for help this enigma.

Cheers

Diego.

what country is it in now?

Ok just read your profile,,,,, Argentina. That would be a long way from home, would make an interesting story

What would be the closest UK former military installations, possibly RAF?

Hi Mike the jeep is not a barn find so far I found only blue, but if you indicate some characteristics from RAF jeeps, holes, seats .. I can look for you.

Cheers.

Diego.

I am not really a Jeep expert, I just like the puzzle

I am sure a Jeep guy will come along and post some comments

mmm ... puzzle, this is a big one!! Thank you Sir.

Regards

I can't say for sure as I'm colour-blind, but to my eyes it could be more of a navy colour than an RAF one.

Hello Lauren, perhaps it was USMC or USN jeep, rustproofing paint also seems to have under, that I have understood that was used, the sample from the grille it would be more close to RAF paint for me,add a video so I offer it in, now is OD.

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Hi using copper sulfate + muriatic acid + distilled water found the original number appears to be 153973, any of you know if the re-stamping 38245 belongs to a British jeep?

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Its not beyond the realms of possibility that some one has stamped the number from an official document onto a previously unregistered vehicle to avoid paying taxes etc.

In the UK, Licence number dealers would obtain old log books from long scrapped vehicles and stamp their details onto a 'Good' vehicle in order to obtain a new Licence number to sell on for profit. I know similar things happened in France and I'm sure it goes on all over the world.

Really do not know that, all I know is that trucks and jeeps arrived to Argentina some in poor condition with bullet holes, some with guns in the glove box including mud maybe this link helps to understand.

http://www.zonamilitar.com.ar/foros/threads/equipamiento-militar-durante-1945-1955.23031/

Thought in the SM 2275 contract that includes M6133340 to M6138339 reaconditioned Ford jeeps so my question about the number.

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Hi Diego

I can not recognize the numbers recorded on your frame... :nut:

Saludos

Mariano;)

The blue could possibly mean Police

Mariano knows the numbers…3 8 2 4 5 to continue this puzzle I propose three odds if you allow me : 1) stamp in factory. 2) In the UK. 3) In Argentina.

starting with the last one first two numbers 3 and 8 are together and aligned ,below 245 aligned and grouped as well, this was the way used in factory ,here someone could stamp a frame number in that place so neatly with thefender in place? Here in Argentina in fact the numbers are stamped on the frame in another place and not aligned.

So there are more chances that was a British Army jeep on the first hand directly from a depot or a USN jeep ?

The arrival to Argentina was in group with other jeeps from UK after end of war so in this case has no rebuilt data plate and here is the knot because doesnt exist files before 1949 based on my reading on the subject . 38 245 was an English stamping number for the auction? In that case what was the purpose and why delete only a part of the original number leaving the last 3 and two stars on sides.

only 5.000 reconditioned Ford jeeps were produced,if we think that they make 270.000 and that there are no files so this is an extremely difficult task.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/433829/thread/1356133544/last-1357131564/Some+interesting+Austin+K5+info+and+a+question

There is in g.503 another thread with a frame that is different in format but with similarities

http://g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=178888

Also this subject is in G.503 if any of you are interested

http://g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=95&t=165168

hi all maybe this photo of the original Jeep grille which changed to another because it was in poor condition shows a mark of blue and red over I found something similar on a David Brown tractor anyone knows about this?

http://www.battlegroupnorth.co.uk/2013/airfield_mv/airfield1.htm

hi all maybe this photo of the original Jeep grille which changed to another because it was in poor condition shows a mark of blue and red over I found something similar on a David Brown tractor anyone knows about this?

http://www.battlegroupnorth.co.uk/2013/airfield_mv/airfield1.htm

Colours can be difficult judge with computer/digital images and viewing on different spec monitors, but the stripe rubbed back looks very much like some layers of RAF blue I once rubbed down through, so that might tie in with the RAF blue on the tractor you have a posted. They had the topcoat RAF grey/blue with a lighter pale blue undercoat, two layers at different times with this same non-spec, not in any A.M.O., undercoat light colour. It even had Ted stumped!

Very interesting what you say, thank you sir!

Regards.

Send our link and jeeps mysterious post in which I have written extensively looking for the source of my jeep, a friend has promised me some files about the import of military vehicles from UK / Belgium / Argentina his father took the case so gladly I will share with you when I get it.

http://foro.aacvm.com.ar/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3547&sid=cfc846156e98259dab02ee088b03f6ae

Regards

Hi Diego, Sorry but I don't have any frame numbers for Jeeps, good luck with your research

regards TED

Thanks Ted, I hope, found a pic of a camouflaged jeep in a version like colors from my jeep before restoring it a strange mixture in bands, ¿Which was this unit, maybe this would correspond to 83 TAF?

source ww2jeep.gportal.hu

I'm 99% certain that that is not an RAF colour scheme, and pretty sure it's not a standard British scheme for NW Europe/Army of Occupation.

EDIT: I have found the picture on the site you quote, and all the images in that sequence show American navy personnel and the rest of the images are of American Jeeps and soldiers. The film the stills come from is an American documentary too, so I would suggest that the Jeep in question is with an American unit.

Ok, I have in my jeep this body type like the British Airborne jeep style,hat channels were cut before the side step from production to carry inside the Horsa this jeep also has no star painted which is not important.

It's hard to see but I think it does not have side steps.

Here is the full picture in the same place, England section .

http://www.ww2jeep.gportal.hu/gindex.php?gid=2135623&pg=4236629

Regards.

There appears to be long discussion on the G503 forum about this jeep. It would appear that the film makers used footage from the Pacific or possibly the Med in a documentary about D-Day (it happens all the time, trust me I have had to work with some very unenlightened companies). The Jeep in your pictures is apparently a US Navy Radio Jeep.

Hello RAFMT please take a look on the subject of this camo jeep which could be another interesting point of view of course in tune with G.503 but with a different result on the jeep and not so much about the place.

The other post is about pictures taken by three members of AACVM on D Day celebrations this year.

http://foro.aacvm.com.ar/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=6232

http://foro.aacvm.com.ar/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6224&start=60

Regards

I share with you this, and to not open a new post since I am a guest in this forum and certainly is related to the camo jeep.

Here in Argentina we have 4 jeeps with gussets serial numbers and diferents bodys because hat channels are short than the others ones,they are not unders the foot steps like pics from medical / airborne/naval camo jeep,all have gusset numbers these are : 126451 37479 177820 90753.

All are in my opinion precomposite MB / GPW late 43

numbers are different from 44-45 ACM2 and nobody knows what those numbers are.

These features in short channels hat surely helped that they were quickly modified so it was easy to take them down and anchor the jeep into Horsa Gliders.

It is my impression that these jeeps were manufactured especially for the D Day with these bodies and with those identification numbers for the destination, recognizable with a number code on the bumper.

To not occupy space upload a pic that brings together all of these jeeps gussets, and a link on subject.

http://foro.aacvm.com.ar/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=6318

Regards

Diego