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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Burley View Post
    Agreed. As has been said. Thats "prop rumble"Nothing to do with the diff.
    Still scary the first time it happens. They are excellent cross country. Sean Ryan took Land Rover's Marketing Director for a cross country, well more of a flight than a drive, in his. The guy was beaming. His comment was 'Why did we stop making theses!'
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    Jeeps posed for pictures Dodges were to busy working. I'm not mad! My voices say I'm sane! And I am not in the pay of Jersey tourisim No longer a 101. Now a Dodge WC54. If there is one thing makes me angry, its all the Incredible Hulk Films!! (Tony Banner)

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    I drove my mates home 100 miles when he bought it and never heard the rumble but i wasn't paying for the fuel so it was never on over run The first time we heard it was running down a slight hill on the way to the pub, I seemed to occur between drive and over run in that slack bit when you not driving or slowing. We thought we had a major problem. we put it down to the rear propshaft running at a steep angle My landy did exactly the same thing when i lifted the ride height but i sorted that by putting wedges between the spring and the axle to point the diff back down and get the flanges parallel and that sorted it. It's a very odd grumble
    C. I. F. Thanks Chaps

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    The tyres also make a great noise when you lob it into a corner a bit to fast and roll the bar grips onto their edges, Feels like the wheels are going to fall off with all the viberation They go like stink for a landy even with the ambulance body. We never got to off road it cos it was a bit to wide and a very nice example.
    C. I. F. Thanks Chaps

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    Not yet got card Vehicle record Card for 101, but 101 club and register have already copied it!

    This from Les, the club's historian:-
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    Hendon do hold the card for your vehicle 95601067A which was built in September 1977 as a chassis cab under contract WV 12074 and stored at Ashchurch, awaiting ambulance conversion by Marshalls of Cambridge.

    The card for 01AM15 shows it was converted as a G/S under Mashalls FVE 21A/230 contract and entered service in 1983, when it was returned to Ashchurch. In 1984 it was fitted out as a Rapier Tracking Radar Tractor (TRT), by 18 Command Workshops, as a planned repair, with the Asset Code 1829 0750. The vehicle was then issued to RAF West Raynham, where it served with 66 Sqn RAF Regt as part of 6 Wing defending USAF airfields until being struck off and sold at ADT, Boongate in 1992.

    The British Rapier system used 3 vehicles in deployment a 24V winch fitted 101 Firing Unit Tractor (FUT) to tow the launch trailer, also loaded with 4 Rapier missiles, guidance equipment and radio. Along with a 12V winch fitted 101 Tracking Radar Tractor (TRT) to tow the Blindfire Radar trailer, also loaded with 4 Rapier missiles and guidance equipment. Finally a 109 Land Rover was also used to tow a reload trailer with 9 Rapier missiles and loaded with the unit's other supplies and kit.
    Les "unquote

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    This from Les, the 101 club historian, in response to question whether they !)! would have been built without winch, since it was originally destined to become an Ambulance..
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    Yes all 70 of the USAF owned RAF 6 Wing Rapier 101 vehicles were built as 12V chassis cab vehicles without winches, by Land Rover under contract number WV12074, as they were originally destined to be ambulance conversions. As we all know ambulances originally didn't have winches or rear NATO towing pintles when in service!

    However when it was decided to convert the vehicles as G/S models for the USAF all 70 vehicles were fitted with the Marshalls pattern pop-rivetted rear bodies, as opposed to the normal spot welded Land Rover versions, under Marshalls FVE 21A/230 contract!

    The first 35 of these vehicles, 00AM72 - 01AM06, were converted to 24V electrical systems to be launcher FUTs and the other 35 vehicles 01AM07 - 01AM41 remaining as 12V to be TRTs! All the vehicles were also fitted with Nokken winches, Rapier missile storage racks each side of the rear body, floor FUT or TRT equipment storage frames and other necessary Rapier gear. We believe this was all done at 18 Command workshops but some of the work could have been carried out by Land Rover at Solihull as there's evidence that a number of the vehicles received OUT OF GATE REWORK in 1983?
    "unquote.


    Les uses the phrase "USAF owned" and "convert the vehicles as G/S models for the USAF"

    But they were operated by the RAF regiment, and have RAF registrations. It all sounds a bit complicated. Can anyone say how did the RAF and USAF tie in together? Surely they remained RAF but under whose control?

    Can anyone explain the command structure and "ownership" of RAF regiment vehicles stationed on USAF bases to protect American aircraft from air attack?

    Where was 18 command Workshop and was this a REME unit?
    Last edited by antarmike; 30-09-2010 at 18:07.

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    Further reading tells me that 66 Squadron RAF Regiment was USAF funded..

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    West Rainham... No 4 hanger was the home of 66 Squadron RAF Regiment (one of the 3 USAF funded Rapier Squadrons of 6 Wing, RAF Regiment who's HQ was based in No 2 hanger along with the Rapier Training Unit).
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    and that 66 sqdrn defended Lakenheath and Mildenhall
    "No. 6 Wing - RAF West Raynham. (Defends USAF bases)
    No. 19 Squadron - RAF Brize Norton - Rapier FSC (RAF Fairford and RAF Upper Heyford).
    No. 20 Squadron - RAF Honington - Rapier FSC (RAF Alconbury, Woodbridge and Bentwaters).
    No. 66 Squadron - RAF West Raynham - Rapier FSC (RAF Mildenhall and Lakenheath)."
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    More from Les Adams, the 101 club Hitorian,
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    I gather the USAF owned the the 6 Wing vehicles and also funded the 3 RAF Regt Sqns primarily to defend their airfield bases in England and, even though they were based at other RAF airfields, they were independant of the RAF airfield command.

    I own 00AM97, a Rapier FUT that served with 19 Sqn RAF Regt based in a hanger/building at the back of Brize Norton airfield, which defended Fairford and Heyford USAF bases! According to the Sqn history - "On 1 July 1984 19 Sqn was reformed at RAF Brize Norton as one of three Squadrons of 6 Wing RAF Regiment, responsible for the defence of USAF airfields in Southern England as part of the United Kingdom Air Defence System. The Squadron is an autonomous Short Range Air Defence (SHORAD) unit equipped with the Rapier all-weather Blindfire surface-to-air missile system, capable of deployment to other theatres of operation at short notice by land, sea or air."

    I also gather that 66 Sqn was involved by doing a tour in the 1st Gulf war and left their vehicles and equipment in the Gulf, to be manned by 20 Sqn when the were relieved by them to return home at the end of the tour. However I don't know if 19 Sqn was involved in the Gulf?
    "Unquote.

    So 66 Squadron did a tour during Op Granby, No sign of any markings on my 101 though.



    According to RAF History, 66 replaced 20, not the other way round, so 66 may have been out there with 20 Squadrons vehicles and kit, not the other war around.
    No 20 Squadron, RAF Regiment, leaves on 11 August 1990 for Cyprus with Rapier air defence missiles. Later transfers to Bahrain.
    (Britains small wars has 20 Squadron RAF Regiment deployed to Cyprus August 1990. One flight deployed to Muharraq late August 1990, second flight joined first in the middle of October 1990, relieved by 66 Sqn in Nov 1990, returned to UK after setting up airbase defence of Muharraq.)
    66 Squadron arrived on 14th Nov 1990, replacing 20 Squadron
    66 Squadron RAF Regiment were at Muharraq, Bahrain: Stationed there were 58 Light Armoured Sqn, 66 Sqn (Rapier), 4 Wing HQ, 33 Wing HQ
    Last edited by antarmike; 01-10-2010 at 19:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormin View Post
    That looks ridiculous on those tyres Mike. Bet it's got more grip and off road ability than standard bar grips though.

    What I'd give for that left hand rear bumperette! I've retrofitted a Nokken on my vehicles but haven't been able to aquire the rear bumperette which includes winch fairlead mounting. If you remove it to do cross member repairs I'd be interested in borrowing it as a template to copy and modify one of mine standard ones.

    Are you sticking with the home made truck cab or going back to canvas roof? All the hoops were available from the 101 club shop, last I looked, for ridiculously cheap prices.
    What I wouldn't give for a genuine front winch roller mount. Mine has a ballsed up steel fabrication, Genuine ones listed on ebay but look at the price!!
    http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_t...ing+NOS+598669

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormin View Post
    That looks ridiculous on those tyres Mike. Bet it's got more grip and off road ability than standard bar grips though.
    Will these look any better?



    Went to Vass's today with a view to buying 5 Part worn 9.00x16 Michelin XCL's and came away with four brand new Metric XZL's, plus one part worn for the spare...OOUUUUCH
    Not that the part worn XCL's were bad, but these seemed better value...(I know it is all relative)
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    how much where the XZL's from vass?? good price?? and are Vass easy to deal with!!

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