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AndyFowler
21-07-2008, 17:36
Some of the last Scammells in service !

AndyFowler
21-07-2008, 17:40
Some pics of the S26's at 2008 War and Peace show ! Hope to see some pics of Radiomikes new toy soon ! http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20S26/DSC04169.jpg http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20S26/DSC04198.jpg http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20S26/DSC04199.jpg http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20S26/DSC04203.jpg http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20S26/DSC042172.jpg http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20S26/DSC04218.jpg http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20S26/DSC042022.jpg http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20S26/DSC04205.jpg

catweazle (Banned Member)
21-07-2008, 20:28
What engines were used in these mate?

Richard Farrant
21-07-2008, 22:41
What engines were used in these mate?

As I used to work on them, should be able to answer for you, Perkins Eagle 6 cyl and from memory a 350 bhp version. They are an update on the old RR Eagle.

catweazle (Banned Member)
21-07-2008, 22:50
Cheers,we had at the water board the crusader i think,with the eagle,very smokey from cold,bit dissapointing really.it was a low loader for shifting muir hill shovels to the filter beds.muir hill wonder if there still going.?

snowtracdave
21-07-2008, 22:54
They are indeed although not as big as they once were . Still very popular machines and , indeed , highly collectable in the classic tractor world

catweazle (Banned Member)
21-07-2008, 22:57
:tup::

radiomike7
23-07-2008, 23:52
As I used to work on them, should be able to answer for you, Perkins Eagle 6 cyl and from memory a 350 bhp version. They are an update on the old RR Eagle.


350 in the 6x6 and 8x6, 305 in the 6x4 tractors. Perkins (now CAT) Eagle mk3 which is based on the C series Shrewsbury built Rolls engines.

Andy, if you PM me an email address I will send a pic that you can post to prove it arrived. Drove it 60 miles home with no probs, and they even left about 300 litres of diesel in the tank.:shocked:

Mike

AndyFowler
24-07-2008, 22:57
Heres Mikes new baby ! What a beauty ! Also another one of this batch which has been "civilianised" and was at Llandudno earlier this year ! http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20S26/100_0969a.jpg http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20S26/100_0969a2.jpg http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20S26/DSC03392.jpg http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20S26/DSC03393.jpg

antarmike
25-07-2008, 21:40
erm! its different I suppose, not sure it looks right!

AndyFowler
25-07-2008, 22:00
I'm happy as long as it aint turned into chinese RSJ's Mike !:-D

les freathy
01-08-2008, 12:14
S26 tractor seen in both semi tractor and ballast configurations powered by a Cummins NTE350 engine coupled to Fuller 15 speed manual gearbox, this photo is also by mistake in the Constructor thread

radiomike7
01-08-2008, 15:30
S26 tractor seen in both semi tractor and ballast configurations powered by a Cummins NTE350 engine coupled to Fuller 15 speed manual gearbox, this photo is also by mistake in the Constructor thread

Havn't seen that picture before Les, it's from the same batch as mine - 71KB96. If you look at the model badge it reads 2630 which makes it a Rolls not a Cummins.:-D There were some 2635s with civilian front bumpers trialled as tank transporters but I don't think any were ordered.

Mad Cow
01-08-2008, 15:55
this one was 71 KB 89!! only sold her on earlier this year, she was registered STGO cat 3 plated at 100ton shes gonna b a civvy truck from now on i think?? :(

Mad Cow
01-08-2008, 16:10
Here are a couple more for you too!
03AY18
03AY23
and the sldt 95KD29.

Mad Cow
01-08-2008, 16:30
The original S26 towing an AMX 13 trailer (currently for sale (trailer that is)) and dont tell me off for advertising it cos im not really just putting pics of s26 of interest!!!!

les freathy
01-08-2008, 17:13
Thanks for the engine details Mike i will update the photo details, this is one of the trials civvy bumpered tractors you mentioned

antar
02-08-2008, 07:53
Should anyone want one of the 6x6 Royal Engineers ones there are still a number at Hamptons in Keele Stafordshire.

les freathy
03-08-2008, 10:05
Can anyone tell me something about this, i took the photo on a visit to Watford during the month the Commander was entering service and after a tour of the works went a little way down the road to a storage holding area and saw this S26. It was summer time and trees and bushes were at there best but not much use to me whilst trying to take photos from out side,from what i can remember the truck is a S26 drops without the multilift equipment fitted and a large GS body bolted to the chassis. It is the only time i have seen this set up and guess it was a trial vehicle although i seen no test or trial photos of the same it appears to have had a small fire in the rear of the body

AndyFowler
03-08-2008, 14:22
Mikes photo of a S26 resurrecting a famous old Scammell name ! http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20S26/g10.jpg

radiomike7
04-08-2008, 00:09
No information about the Mountaineer except that although fitted with DROPS equipment it is not the IMM DROPS submitted for trials which had larger wheels and tyres. Scammell re-submitted an 8x6 IMM but the contract ended up going to Foden.

Mad Cow
08-08-2008, 15:49
I may be able to shed some light on the coverd S26. A work mate used to be in the enginers and in 87 were issued with 3 6X6 S26s coverd with a drilling rig inside.I belive they were used for drilling for water only.
I am AFTER A drops if anyone knows of one.to go with the 6x6.
The 350 eagle is a massive improvement over the 305, the power is more mid range 1200 to 1700 rpm no need to rev the be jesus out of it.
from beltring the other week we had the 6x6 with a fox fv701 (5ton)in the back of it ,and the dumb axle towing frame (3.3ton)with our daf gs(6.4ton) on tow with a mk4 ferret (4ton)in the back of that. So all in all near 15ton pulled very well. the reason why we towed the daf the prop uj went u/s.

Mad Cow
08-08-2008, 16:29
The 6x6 is registerd STGO Cat 3 100ton gross as a ballast tractor, anyoneknow of a dyson for sale?

antarmike
08-08-2008, 19:55
I don't want to spoil a party but a Dyson has only 4 axles and can't be used on road ,loaded, under STGO. Also you can't find tyres with a high enough weight capacity (as dual wheels) to run at the Dysons 68/70 tons gross.

A Dyson is nice to look at but cannot be used anywhere near fully loaded on the public highway.

The Army only managed to use the Dyson fully loaded because they did not have to comply with any part of Construction and Use regs.

But yes I know of several Dysons that are up for sale....

radiomike7
09-08-2008, 22:35
The 350 eagle is a massive improvement over the 305, the power is more mid range 1200 to 1700 rpm no need to rev the be jesus out of it.


Do you know what the differences are, I suspect it is more than just pump settings? Does the 350 still use a chargecooler rather than an intercooler?

Mike

Richard Farrant
09-08-2008, 23:13
Do you know what the differences are, I suspect it is more than just pump settings? Does the 350 still use a chargecooler rather than an intercooler?

Mike

Mike,

When Perkins bought the Rolls diesel business, they re-engineered the Eagle, the cyl. block being altered is one thing, from memory. I know the FI pump is different on the 350, from the earlier 270 and 305 versions. My tech data is not to hand at present.

radiomike7
10-08-2008, 00:23
Mike,

When Perkins bought the Rolls diesel business, they re-engineered the Eagle, the cyl. block being altered is one thing, from memory. I know the FI pump is different on the 350, from the earlier 270 and 305 versions. My tech data is not to hand at present.

Thanks Richard, it must be one of the longest serving engines ever, having started out in the early '50s as the 'C' series and still retains identical bore/stroke dimensions. Antarmike has a C6TFL in the Antar while Unipower used a 400 version in the 8x8 bridging units with a huge remote intercooler. It is still available for industrial applications from CAT who are now the owners of Perkins.

antarmike
10-08-2008, 07:47
And the CET uses the C6TFR engine. Steve Guest has anither C6TFL in his Ex Raf Constructor. They were used in Railcars and diesel shunters, as well as new installations in marine applications and for Standby Generators...

radiomike7
11-08-2008, 00:20
And the CET uses the C6TFR engine. Steve Guest has anither C6TFL in his Ex Raf Constructor. They were used in Railcars and diesel shunters, as well as new installations in marine applications and for Standby Generators...

Mike , I had always assumed that the L and R referred to the accessory positions, but looking through the parts book it is the side of the engine that the camshaft is fitted to. Furthermore it appears that the block is symmetrical end to end and that the crank flywheel and timing gears can be fitted either way round to produce an engine with the cam on either side.

Mad Cow
17-08-2008, 14:45
Hi all
This pic was just posted on hmvf on another blog whats the truck in the background?? S26 6x6?? sldt? I have pm the gent who posted for a location and any contact details. I am going to look at the ones in staffordshire grumpy went up there and sait they were ruff but there can not be many around . I am thinking of makeing a artic unit out of one? 6x6 crane instead of the tipper fit a winch? EM!

sirhc
17-08-2008, 17:46
Dave,
You might see it in some of these photos:

http://www.sirhc.co.uk/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=6

This one maybe?

http://www.sirhc.co.uk/gallery/albums/Hamptons/IMG_1933.JPG

Chris

Mad Cow
18-08-2008, 05:00
WOW GRIM
Worth a look will post some pics and see what i can buy lol

Mad Cow
18-08-2008, 05:01
I was\toldthere were 3 only 2 in pic em i hope!!!

antar
22-08-2008, 13:37
I regularly visit this yard and can confirm that there are about 15 left to chose from.

antar
25-08-2008, 22:47
Hi all
This pic was just posted on hmvf on another blog whats the truck in the background?? S26 6x6?? sldt? I have pm the gent who posted for a location and any contact details. I am going to look at the ones in staffordshire grumpy went up there and sait they were ruff but there can not be many around . I am thinking of makeing a artic unit out of one? 6x6 crane instead of the tipper fit a winch? EM!

That picture is the yard in Stafordshire, if you end up making a project tractor unit I can help with supplying 3.5 in pin double oscilating coupling and a perfect hydraulic winch to go on one of those S26's, nearly did the same thing last year myself but too many other projects on the go.

AndyFowler
29-08-2008, 19:56
A couple of S26 seen at GDSF 2008

Mad Cow
29-08-2008, 22:05
Sorry to say the tatty looking one is one i sold to Steve Guest, at least it on the road if only being towed by mr g in his mili,,,lol

AndyFowler
29-08-2008, 22:07
It has had some paint work carried out and I think it was only on tow for the arena ! I think we call them rolling rebuilds ! :-D

Mad Cow
29-08-2008, 22:11
pic when i had it....and my 6x6, mili grumpy..............!

Mad Cow
29-08-2008, 23:11
Show last week Mt-Edgecomb Cornwall.
should have used the legs maybe....its a bit low one side em...

Mad Cow
30-08-2008, 10:02
WOW just relised A825mwd was my old s26,sold it to mike walters.done a nice job but i did like it in army paint. So seems alot of s26 about were mine lol..

Poptopshed
30-08-2008, 19:55
Is that picture with the 432 the one you moved for John P?
If so its moving again tomorrow. :-D

Mad Cow
02-09-2008, 01:45
thats the one j

N.O.S.
02-09-2008, 19:58
That short wheelbase stepframe trailer is pretty neat - can you provide any info on it?
Cheers!

Mad Cow
03-09-2008, 14:18
Its a french AMX13 tank trailer.17ton capacity but can be more as 17t is the frenchspec not max. it is near 10 ton so if you had a 38 ton unit ,3 axle best say 8 ton. 18ton in total so 20 ton??????BEST 8FT7 IN WIDE SO EXEMPT FROM TEST ,3NCH PIN

ITS FOR SALE

antar
03-09-2008, 22:06
Its a french AMX13 tank trailer.17ton capacity but can be more as 17t is the frenchspec not max. it is near 10 ton so if you had a 38 ton unit ,3 axle best say 8 ton. 18ton in total so 20 ton??????BEST 8FT7 IN WIDE SO EXEMPT FROM TEST ,3NCH PIN

ITS FOR SALE

Sorry,
but it can either be a 3.5 inch pin or a 2 inch pin.

antar
03-09-2008, 22:55
I regularly visit this yard and can confirm that there are about 15 left to chose from.

I can confirm that there are now 9 restorable un-damaged ones left as of todays visit.

radiomike7
03-09-2008, 23:57
Sorry,
but it can either be a 3.5 inch pin or a 2 inch pin.

If you are going to be pedantic, being French it will be a 90mm pin:coffee:

Mad Cow
04-09-2008, 14:39
ok 90 mm 3.5inch can i tack it that either size will fit the s26 fifth wheel. lol

radiomike7
04-09-2008, 16:15
ok 90 mm 3.5inch can i tack it that either size will fit the s26 fifth wheel. lol

Yes, same as 2" UK and 50mm continental pins.

antarmike
05-09-2008, 15:02
Follwing clutch failure in my Antar, steve guest towed home my Dyson with Andi's explorer, and our living van. I was most impressed with the Ex RAf S26's pulling power, fuel economy and level of cab comfort. Anyone know of one going at the moment?
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q208/antarmike/dorset2008037.jpg

AndyFowler
05-09-2008, 15:16
Withams are still advertising them Mike ! Did the Antar get home under her own steam ! Thanks for taking her to Dorset I enjoyed watching you in the arena on the Thursday ! Hope the repairs not to expensive ! Regards Andy !http://www.mod-sales.com/direct/vehicle/,26,/16946/Scammell.htm

antarmike
05-09-2008, 16:07
Erm!! see the Antar Gallery posts ive just put up!

AndyFowler
05-09-2008, 17:16
Oh dear ! Sorry to hear that mate ! I replied a bit to quick ! I was only thinking on the way home how much effort you chaps put in to show those big old girls ! I hope you can get it sorted ! Thanks again for your efforts !

antarmike
05-09-2008, 21:05
Witham want 8,000 for one of these. Steve paid 4,000. I think Witham are way OTT again.

Mad Cow
06-09-2008, 14:25
Radiomike bought one in\the sale for just over 5k, keep a lookout and you may find another, There are none in the sale this mounth but they can still put some in.

antar
07-09-2008, 19:14
IF you want a 6x6 S26 I can point you in the right direction.
John

antarmike
07-09-2008, 19:29
PM sent

Mad Cow
08-09-2008, 21:07
Be aware the 6x6 only do 45mph at 1900rpm .but that should be more than enough. for a dyson.

AndyFowler
27-09-2008, 23:04
Hows the Scammell coming on RadioMike ?

radiomike7
28-09-2008, 12:44
Hows the Scammell coming on RadioMike ?

Slowly Andy, I have spent the last few weeks collecting parts and rectifying minor issues. I have found a pair of S26 rear axles which will let it cruise at 57mph/1600rpm rather than 42mph/1600rpm which should make a vast improvement to the economy, journey times and noise levels. For some reason the RAF vehicles were fitted with 10.00 x 20 tyres rather than the usual 11.00 x 20, but I have aquired a set of 11 new 8.25 x 22.5 tubeless wheels which will take 12R 22.5 tyres and fill the front arches better.

Mike

AndyFowler
28-09-2008, 20:28
Glad its all coming together Mike ! She looked really tidy in the pics ! I think I'd have one in my lottery barn anytime ! :-D

Mad Cow
29-09-2008, 08:43
on ebay there were super single rims for the front, would look good and i also have a guy who can supply a stgo plate rated at over 100ton, My old one now mikes was 100ton gross .lt could have gone more if i changed the 10x20 tyres, as you have done so you may be looking at mutch more poss 150ton.

radiomike7
29-09-2008, 12:42
on ebay there were super single rims for the front, would look good and i also have a guy who can supply a stgo plate rated at over 100ton, My old one now mikes was 100ton gross .lt could have gone more if i changed the 10x20 tyres, as you have done so you may be looking at mutch more poss 150ton.

I had thought of super singles for the front, have you got a link to the ebay ones? The RAF S26 tractors only have a pair of 9.1 ton springs, the RAF re-fuelers have a much heavier spring although the SOMA axles are still only rated at 12 tons each. By comparison even a standard DAF 75/85 has 13 ton axles.

Mad Cow
03-10-2008, 17:50
ebay iten number 130248994920
or you could try that scrapyard with the s26 scammells 6x6 they would fit.

ackack
03-10-2008, 18:52
Where is this yard in Staffordshire mentioned earlier ?

les freathy
12-10-2008, 21:39
The S26 recovery, ousted by the Foden cracking looking truck though

AndyFowler
13-10-2008, 00:19
Ex-military S26 at the Scammell roadrun at Chatham Dockyard ! http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20S26/ScammellroadrunChatham2008054.jpg http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20S26/ScammellroadrunChatham2008004.jpg

radiomike7
13-10-2008, 01:38
Where is this yard in Staffordshire mentioned earlier ?

JM & NW Hampton. more info . Field House, Keele Road, Newcastle Under Lyme, Staffs, ST5 5AA Tel: 01782 614456

AndyFowler
05-02-2009, 22:39
Dave Crouch has an S26 for sale on Milweb at the moment ! :-D

ekawrecker
06-02-2009, 16:36
Dave Crouch has an S26 for sale on Milweb at the moment ! :-D

RAF reg no 03AY12 if anyone cares!:-D

antar
06-02-2009, 21:31
Dave Crouch has an S26 for sale on Milweb at the moment ! :-D

Yes, It is one of the 6 sold in the Withams tender 2 weeks ago.

radiomike7
07-02-2009, 04:10
Yes, It is one of the 6 sold in the Withams tender 2 weeks ago.

The man from the Ministry must have dropped his reserve, it was 5k just a few weeks ago.:shocked:

ekawrecker
07-02-2009, 20:11
The man from the Ministry must have dropped his reserve, it was 5k just a few weeks ago.:shocked:

I've often wondered if the 'Man from the Ministry' actually exists?

radiomike7
08-02-2009, 00:10
I've often wondered if the 'Man from the Ministry' actually exists?

In the old days when surplus MV stock was returned to Bicester for auction the Ministry man would come to the auction, sit alongside the auctioneer and reject any sales that did not reach his reserve, so he certainly used to exist. The S26s were expected to sell to African buyers but they showed no interest in this batch.

I am looking for a pair of good 4.79:1 diffs from an RAF S26 re-fueller as the ones I bought are in a poor state; if anyone knows of any NOS ones perhaps they could let me know.

ekawrecker
08-02-2009, 17:36
I am looking for a pair of good 4.79:1 diffs from an RAF S26 re-fueller as the ones I bought are in a poor state; if anyone knows of any NOS ones perhaps they could let me know.

I take it you want 'SOMA' ones, and not 'Rockwell'? I assume they're not the same?

radiomike7
08-02-2009, 17:53
I take it you want 'SOMA' ones, and not 'Rockwell'? I assume they're not the same?

Yes, they are French SOMA and totally different to Rockwell. I bought an entire rear bogie from a low mileage re-fueller but the centre diff is seized due to the actuator having been fitted incorrectly and the innards are corroded due to standing for a long period. All I have ended up with is a few spare drums, halfshafts, hubs and some monster 11 leaf springs which strangely are far heavier than the 8 leaf tractor version.

antar
24-04-2009, 07:25
Slowly Andy, I have spent the last few weeks collecting parts and rectifying minor issues. I have found a pair of S26 rear axles which will let it cruise at 57mph/1600rpm rather than 42mph/1600rpm which should make a vast improvement to the economy, journey times and noise levels. For some reason the RAF vehicles were fitted with 10.00 x 20 tyres rather than the usual 11.00 x 20, but I have aquired a set of 11 new 8.25 x 22.5 tubeless wheels which will take 12R 22.5 tyres and fill the front arches better.

Mike

Can anybody confirm what engine and roadspeed a standard RAF 6X4 TRACTOR has please ?

radiomike7
24-04-2009, 09:44
Can anybody confirm what engine and roadspeed a standard RAF 6X4 TRACTOR has please ?

The old Rolls Royce badged 305 as fitted to Crusaders and about 54mph on the limiter, but if you were going any distance it cruises nicely at 42. Standard diffs are 6.39:1 but the RAF tankers with auto transmission use a 4.79:1 while civilian ones are usually 5.64:1. I am almost sure the hub reduction is the same ratio across the range.

antar
24-04-2009, 10:06
The old Rolls Royce badged 305 as fitted to Crusaders and about 54mph on the limiter, but if you were going any distance it cruises nicely at 42. Standard diffs are 6.39:1 but the RAF tankers with auto transmission use a 4.79:1 while civilian ones are usually 5.64:1. I am almost sure the hub reduction is the same ratio across the range.

Thanks Mike

radiomike7
25-04-2009, 12:13
Thanks Mike

Are you thinking of getting one? It would be good with a DROPS or 6x6 Perkins 350 and some better diffs. The gearbox is much stronger than Crusader.

AndyFowler
26-04-2009, 22:16
On Ebay , I seem to recognise some of those pictures !:-D http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220402996026&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

antar
27-04-2009, 22:08
Are you thinking of getting one? It would be good with a DROPS or 6x6 Perkins 350 and some better diffs. The gearbox is much stronger than Crusader.

Was thinking of it, but decided to persevere in putting my Crusader back on the road again, I have high speed diffs for it and a set of 12.00 x 20 tyres which will put it up to 62mph @ 2100rpm. Just got masses of work to do on the cab !!

Stormin
28-04-2009, 18:21
Was thinking of it, but decided to persevere in putting my Crusader back on the road again, I have high speed diffs for it and a set of 12.00 x 20 tyres which will put it up to 62mph @ 2100rpm. Just got masses of work to do on the cab !!

And as if by magic one cab appears on ebay.. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260400887621&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

antar
28-04-2009, 21:46
And as if by magic one cab appears on ebay.. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260400887621&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

Thanks Nrman, but i don,t need another cab, just time to carry out the repairs to my own, I sold a very tidy LHD cab a couple of years ago because it was in the way.
John.

Swill1952xs
28-04-2009, 22:19
On Ebay , I seem to recognise some of those pictures !:-D http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220402996026&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123


ANDY FOWLER.......... that is pure truck porn, and I'm a very impressionable person......... how am I supposed to sleep after seeing pictures like that.

I want one of those............. drool drool........ if you win the lottery ......will you buy me one............pleeeease....:-D

radiomike7
29-04-2009, 13:50
Was thinking of it, but decided to persevere in putting my Crusader back on the road again, I have high speed diffs for it and a set of 12.00 x 20 tyres which will put it up to 62mph @ 2100rpm. Just got masses of work to do on the cab !!

Check the clearance of the inners on the rear springs if using an 8" rim, you may have to squeeze them over the existing 7.5" rims.

S26 with 4.79:1 diffs should do 70mph @ 2100rpm.:drive::shake::stop:

AndyFowler
29-04-2009, 16:25
ANDY FOWLER.......... that is pure truck porn, and I'm a very impressionable person......... how am I supposed to sleep after seeing pictures like that.

I want one of those............. drool drool........ if you win the lottery ......will you buy me one............pleeeease....:-D

Of course I will mate ! It would be my pleasure ! :-D

antar
02-05-2009, 07:10
Check the clearance of the inners on the rear springs if using an 8" rim, you may have to squeeze them over the existing 7.5" rims.

S26 with 4.79:1 diffs should do 70mph @ 2100rpm.:drive::shake::stop:

Hope not as I have already had them sandblasted and painted, never even thought to check. looks like a trial fit is necessary today !!!will post a picture.

antar
03-05-2009, 08:42
Hope not as I have already had them sandblasted and painted, never even thought to check. looks like a trial fit is necessary today !!!will post a picture.

Trial fit went ok about 3/4" to spare.

AndyFowler
30-08-2009, 23:52
One of a couple seen at Kemble MVT show today ! Saw a convoy of three soldiering on whilst on the M25 on the way to the show ! Long live Scammell ! :-D oWReNwo-2S0

antar
02-09-2009, 21:58
Engine picture for Radiomike.

AndyFowler
02-09-2009, 22:34
Hope the baby birds had ear defenders in that nest mate ! :-D

antar
16-09-2009, 17:43
Engine picture for Radiomike.

Having been back and looked at it again, how does that intercooler work, It seems to have a water jacket around the inlet manifold ? surely that would warm up the inlet air not cool it ? am I losing the plot ?
John.

radiomike7
16-09-2009, 23:39
Having been back and looked at it again, how does that intercooler work, It seems to have a water jacket around the inlet manifold ? surely that would warm up the inlet air not cool it ? am I losing the plot ?
John.

It is not usually called an intercooler but a charge cooler, even though it does the same thing. Compressing the inlet air can raise the temperature to about 150C so the cooling water at about 70C still provides a cooling effect. If you remember back to T45 Roadtrain days the Rolls and some Cummins powered ones had a CHARGECOOLED badge on the front grill.

woodchips
18-09-2009, 09:50
Hello to everyone, first post after joining.

Got to get the question asked, have just bought an S26 SLDT, where can I get a workshop manual for it? The hissing of air makes it immobile some times, and there is a lot of pipework to check.

How many other people wasted hours getting the tipper to tip because the tipper/crane control lever is marked back to front?

Bob

daz76
18-09-2009, 10:34
Hello to everyone, first post after joining.

Got to get the question asked, have just bought an S26 SLDT, where can I get a workshop manual for it? The hissing of air makes it immobile some times, and there is a lot of pipework to check.

How many other people wasted hours getting the tipper to tip because the tipper/crane control lever is marked back to front?

Bob
Hi Bob, welcome to the forum. Would love to see some photos when you have time. Try www.scammellregister.co.uk (http://www.scammellregister.co.uk) where Parry Davis is the keeper of all the manuals. You might like to introduce yourself to everyone in the relevent section of the forum. In the meantime we'll see about finding a big enough parking space for you in the Clubhouse car park. Cheers. Daz

radiomike7
18-09-2009, 12:57
Hello to everyone, first post after joining.

Got to get the question asked, have just bought an S26 SLDT, where can I get a workshop manual for it? The hissing of air makes it immobile some times, and there is a lot of pipework to check.

How many other people wasted hours getting the tipper to tip because the tipper/crane control lever is marked back to front?

Bob

Parry has a compilation of manuals that cover most of the parts on the S26 range but not the engine, gearbox, tipper or DROPS sections. The brake section is good with diagrams and part numbers . Try Walsall Brake Services at Aldridge for any air valves you need, tel 07946 574678.

woodchips
18-09-2009, 20:09
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.

Won't need a parking space though. It was bought to work in our wood, shifting tonnes of spoil to make a road. No doubt there are other ways to do it, just that this seemed so much more fun. Four trips later and I have destroyed two trees! One hooked up on the crane, the other caught under the tipping body when fully raised.

I also see that none of the diff locks work. Is this a known problem? I assume they have seized after standing for years in MVS and Hampdens.

Bob

woodchips
18-09-2009, 20:18
Lets see if I can get the photos in.

Ah, does it not take a photo off your computer, jpeg type?

Bob

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woodchips
18-09-2009, 20:19
Seems to have worked, I am amazed at myself!

Bob

radiomike7
18-09-2009, 21:34
I also see that none of the diff locks work. Is this a known problem? I assume they have seized after standing for years in MVS and Hampdens.

Bob

What, all 4?? Beware of getting it stuck and spinning the inter axle diff in the leading rear axle as you will do some serious damage.

antar
19-09-2009, 07:07
Hello to everyone, first post after joining.

Got to get the question asked, have just bought an S26 SLDT, where can I get a workshop manual for it? The hissing of air makes it immobile some times, and there is a lot of pipework to check.

How many other people wasted hours getting the tipper to tip because the tipper/crane control lever is marked back to front?

Bob

Did you buy it from Hamptons ?

woodchips
19-09-2009, 22:49
Hello all

None of the diff lock air actuator pull (push?) rods move when switching the diff lock control to position 3, or any warning lights come on. Can I run the air system from a compressor to save idling the engine all the time, gets very smelly underneath, also hot bits. It has been bought to use, so the diff locks have to work. I have got a wheeled loader stuck in 2' mud and a Caterpillar tracked loader with the tops of the tracks under the mud, see the problem?

I bought it from the advert on milweb, 7k, Hampdens wanted 8k. It is road registered and had a drive in it, seemed fine but it is of course 25 years old. I have no experience of HGVs so a bit of a difference, keep hitting trees in the wood and bending things, trouble is lots of trees and only one S26.

Bob

AndyFowler
20-09-2009, 08:55
Sounds like great fun mate ! :-D

antar
21-09-2009, 21:57
Hello all

None of the diff lock air actuator pull (push?) rods move when switching the diff lock control to position 3, or any warning lights come on. Can I run the air system from a compressor to save idling the engine all the time, gets very smelly underneath, also hot bits. It has been bought to use, so the diff locks have to work. I have got a wheeled loader stuck in 2' mud and a Caterpillar tracked loader with the tops of the tracks under the mud, see the problem?

I bought it from the advert on milweb, 7k, Hampdens wanted 8k. It is road registered and had a drive in it, seemed fine but it is of course 25 years old. I have no experience of HGVs so a bit of a difference, keep hitting trees in the wood and bending things, trouble is lots of trees and only one S26.

Bob
couple up your compressor to the FRONT RED palm coupling, it will save you idling the truck whilst you play with the diff locks. It will also save your lungs and eyes, it is a Rolls Eagle !!!

Plantters
22-09-2009, 21:29
Hello all

None of the diff lock air actuator pull (push?) rods move when switching the diff lock control to position 3, or any warning lights come on. Can I run the air system from a compressor to save idling the engine all the time, gets very smelly underneath, also hot bits. It has been bought to use, so the diff locks have to work. I have got a wheeled loader stuck in 2' mud and a Caterpillar tracked loader with the tops of the tracks under the mud, see the problem?

I bought it from the advert on milweb, 7k, Hampdens wanted 8k. It is road registered and had a drive in it, seemed fine but it is of course 25 years old. I have no experience of HGVs so a bit of a difference, keep hitting trees in the wood and bending things, trouble is lots of trees and only one S26.

Bob

If its the one I think it is it is registered as a recovery truck and MOT exempt. How that happened I hate to think!
As you are not particularly experienced with HGV's I think it might be a great idea to either get it MOT'd properly or at the very least get it thoroughly checked over by a good HGV Mech... Loaded, its 26tons of hard to stop dead weight!
Good luck on the Diffs

woodchips
23-09-2009, 19:37
Hello, thanks for the comments.

Yes, it is registered as a recovery truck and is MoT exempt, you just ask for the classification you want it in, bit of arguing but you are using it, not them. On the drive around the lanes, and I have now used it to shift and dump full loads of spoil, the brakes seem extremely efficient. From the maintenance manual the only brake test is with a Tapley, no rolling roads, but on mud and grass I would never get anywhere near the 80% required. Need the manuals to determine the level of the problem. The emergency stop on the parking brake does give some backup of course.

Found that the tyres on the S26 DROPS are exactly the same size, so need to find a few spares, tree stumps really rip up tyres.

Why did Scammell put the brake linkages from the actuators UNDER the axle? In fact the whole vehicle is surprisingly fragile, the smallest saplings move the mirrors. Has anyone fitted a roll cage around the cab? And what would you fix it to because of the cab tipping.

Bob

woodchips
19-10-2009, 19:12
Hello, further uodate.

Had some help so could waggle diff lock control whilst looking at the actuators. Only one was actually seized, the inter axle one. Good spray of Duck Oil and they all move freely now. The warning lights still don't come on, need to get a circuit to work out what is happening there.

Apart from getting stuck, what is the best way of confirming that the diff locks actually work? Jacking up wheels doesn't sound sensible, no jack big enough anyway.

Finally got to use the crane. Has anyone fitted a manual extension to it? Whilst it has a reach of 6m, that is still far too close for woodland work, another 6m would be fine but might just be a little too far, anything extra is better than nothing.

Bob

alan turner
07-11-2009, 19:43
are these piccies of the prototype taken in Woolwich?

protruck
07-11-2009, 21:25
Hi woodchips. The rear brake servo's on your vehicle are the standard DANA position for the SD66 rear Axles, the same as the DROPS vehicle.its nothing to do with scammell engineering
The warning light problem maybe the switch's on the diff lock servo's being corroaded or the pins in the electrical boot connector.

Hope this helps.

Clive
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protruckservices.com

Desert Rat
26-11-2009, 19:04
Evening everyone, I have searched all the usual suspects but have been unable to locate a decent 6x6 S26 grab loader/tipper. Does anyone know of any currently for sale ?
I want one to use, not just to play with so i can do without having one which will be in the workshop all winter.

Thanks,

DR

protruck
26-11-2009, 19:22
Hi desert Rat.
Stick a post up. Wanted scammell S26 sldt

Clive
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protruckservices.com

Desert Rat
26-11-2009, 19:26
Cheers, will do.:-D

protruck
26-11-2009, 19:30
No problem.

its just it'll get noticed more as a wanted ad.

Clive
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protruckservices.com

AndyFowler
14-01-2010, 16:44
Some Drops and various others including a glimpse of a Commander in an ad for the army ! sq1uwsi6Cas&feature=related

radiomike7
14-01-2010, 18:36
Is it me or did some one crank the speed up?

AndyFowler
14-01-2010, 18:45
it is a bit fast Mike ! I guess they needed to squeeze a lot in to the advert !:-D

AndyFowler
02-03-2010, 10:04
S26 on Ebay :-D http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290408319752&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

stal108
07-03-2010, 22:10
Evening everyone, I have searched all the usual suspects but have been unable to locate a decent 6x6 S26 grab loader/tipper. Does anyone know of any currently for sale ?
I want one to use, not just to play with so i can do without having one which will be in the workshop all winter.

Thanks,

DR
I have one for sale, sldt low miles not registerd runs drives tips etc
dave

AndyFowler
31-12-2010, 16:58
Someone has some nice toys if you look at their other videos !:D AaDHDXztrws

rbrtcrowther
31-12-2010, 19:37
He's even got the remote boxes for the foden too:shocked:

younggun
31-12-2010, 19:47
there not toys there working trucks belong to a recovery firm JACKSONS up on the a1 north of newcastle allways used ex MOD vehicals they still have a martian explorer and pioner aswell

love that foden tho :bow:

kevin royan
06-01-2011, 19:51
Check out this DROPS in build3976139762397633976439765

protruck
07-01-2011, 17:12
Hi Kevin.

Will look a nice truck when she's finished, it's a shame that it appears to have lost some of
it's ground clearence between 2nd and 3rd axles due to the lower body work. maybe also on
the rear axle articculation on the rear body. it all depends on how much, if ever off road work
she will do.
It will look impressive when she's completed.

Thanks for posting the pics.

Clive

paulob1
15-01-2011, 14:50
but with only 350 bhp dont you think she will be a tad underpowered...would love that truck...

antarmike
15-01-2011, 15:18
but with only 350 bhp dont you think she will be a tad underpowered...would love that truck...

Antar only had 300 BHP for 140 GTW, 350 BHP seems like more than enough...

antar
19-11-2011, 21:23
New toy arrived today. The S26 and the Champ are mine. All purchased from DC a couple of weeks ago.

Markheliops
12-03-2013, 10:03
Thanks for the engine details Mike i will update the photo details, this is one of the trials civvy bumpered tractors you mentioned

Does anyone know what trailer this is?

I am looking for a trailer to put on the back of a Scammell S26 I have just purchased to carry my Chieftain ARRV.

I thought 3 axle trailers would not be an option with axle load weights, etc or is this another example of the Army not having to meet C&U regs?

Markheliops

radiomike7
13-03-2013, 13:36
Does anyone know what trailer this is?

I am looking for a trailer to put on the back of a Scammell S26 I have just purchased to carry my Chieftain ARRV.

I thought 3 axle trailers would not be an option with axle load weights, etc or is this another example of the Army not having to meet C&U regs?

Markheliops

Mark, this is not going to be easy, in Antar/Commander days the army could do more or less what they liked, for instance the rear axle loading on the trailers was IRO 30 tons per line, far higher than the current max of 16 tons for the likes of you and I under STGO 3.
As I see it, the ARRV weighs 55 tons, the S26 9 tons and a suitable trailer circa 20 tons which takes you above the limit of STGO2 (80 tons with 12.5tons per axle) and into STGO3 (150 tons with 16 tons per axle). You didn't say which S26 you have but if it is one of the RAF radar types the rear axles are rated at 12 tons each but the springs are only 9.1 tons each. You could use the springs and wheels/tyres from an RAF re-fueler to get the full 12 ton rating but you would need to get the vehicle recertified. With a 4 axle trailer and under STGO 2 you could then theoretically run at 80 tons, (4x12.5+2x12+6) but this would leave no margin for loading error.
STGO3 is probably the way to go, a four axle trailer with 16 ton axles could take a greater weight and the S26 would not need uprating. Incidentally the plate on the RAF versions gives a 65 ton max train weight but the civilian versions were 100 tons with the same specification, I have the spec sheets in front of me.
You need to do your sums, decide how often you may want to move it and balance the cost of owning/running/storing an expensive bit of kit against hiring a contractor to move it for you, RFL alone is 2585 pa if used commercially, not sure if you could tax it as a private heavy goods.

Markheliops
14-03-2013, 21:24
Hi Radiomike.

Many thanks for the info:

I don't pretend to understand all the regulations concerning special loads etc so your advice is very welcome.

I know it may be a bit tricky with weights etc but I am looking for a suitable trailer to overcome the issues.

The only thing I think you may be mistaken on is I intend to tax the vehicle as Private HGV at 220 per year as I will only be moving my own tank. As I understand, the road fund tax disc for special types is as you suggested ridiculously expensive but it will not apply to my vehicle as stated above.
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I stand to be corrected of course.

Is there any reason why I can not use a draw bar trailer as I have found a 40 wheel, 80 ton trailer. 3 axles at the rear and 2 at the front?

Again the regulations may prevent me from using this but the trailer is designed for tank transporting and this would stop any issues with being over weight, etc?

Markheliops

cosrec
14-03-2013, 23:27
Hi Radiomike.

Many thanks for the info:

I don't pretend to understand all the regulations concerning special loads etc so your advice is very welcome.

I know it may be a bit tricky with weights etc but I am looking for a suitable trailer to overcome the issues.

The only thing I think you may be mistaken on is I intend to tax the vehicle as Private HGV at 220 per year as I will only be moving my own tank. As I understand, the road fund tax disc for special types is as you suggested ridiculously expensive but it will not apply to my vehicle as stated above.
#
I stand to be corrected of course.

Is there any reason why I can not use a draw bar trailer as I have found a 40 wheel, 80 ton trailer. 3 axles at the rear and 2 at the front?

Again the regulations may prevent me from using this but the trailer is designed for tank transporting and this would stop any issues with being over weight, etc?

Markheliops


Now i might be completely wrong here but but do you think plant hire companies would be going to the expence of STGO vehicles and all it entails after all they are only moving their own crawler cranes D8s etc around or have you a loop hole that could save them a load of money. If it were that simple i think some of the cute one man operators that run big equpment would have twigged and taxed their vehicles Private HGV by now. I know of a one man operation who runs a sismic testing machine who pays 40000 to get his 44 ton machine moved each year common sense tells me he would found a get out of jail free card by now

Edd
15-03-2013, 07:24
I think that private HGV is only applicable if you are not running hire and reward or as part of a business. Running an HGV as part of a business even if only to move your own kit I think entails having an O licence. If that's right then as Mark would not be running as a business the private HGV could apply.

Ed

Markheliops
15-03-2013, 07:38
I think you are right on this Ed.

My understanding of being able to tax as private HGV is that the goods I move (ie tank) are my own property and I am not doing it for hire and reward (ie I am not making any money out of it and not running a business).

Plant hire companies, etc would not be able to tax private HGV as they are running a business.

Markheliops

N.O.S.
15-03-2013, 16:41
Yes Mark, you should certainly be ok on that front. My understanding is just as Edd laid out.

Just be aware there could be issues with moving other peoples' vehicles, even as a cost free favour. Might pay to get a good understanding of the private HGV conditions - good luck with that!!

Markheliops
28-03-2013, 18:58
New baby in it's holding area for a while until I can get it registered and uprated.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u233/Markheliops/Scammell%20S26/ScammellS26001_zpsfcbbbb67.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u233/Markheliops/Scammell%20S26/ScammellS26002_zps96744c90.jpg

I have also managed to acquire a 4 axle, extendible 80 ton trailer.

It needs some work but my budget wouldn't stretch any further.

Pictures when it is delivered next week.

Now for the headache that is trying to get it registered (STGO) and uplated.

Markheliops

AndyFowler
28-03-2013, 21:54
Very nice Mark , but you knew I'd say that ! :D

Boggy
29-03-2013, 06:28
No1 Air Control Centre (RAF) These were used to tow the type 91/92 RADAR I believe. However I think this one may have been in a batch of 7 delivered to RAF Boulmer in 1985 I think. I was working in MTMS as the Lecky at the time. They were 'big' pin fifth wheel coupling at the time, later converted to ballast type iirc. Mark

antar
29-03-2013, 08:14
Mark, this is not going to be easy, in Antar/Commander days the army could do more or less what they liked, for instance the rear axle loading on the trailers was IRO 30 tons per line, far higher than the current max of 16 tons for the likes of you and I under STGO 3.
As I see it, the ARRV weighs 55 tons, the S26 9 tons and a suitable trailer circa 20 tons which takes you above the limit of STGO2 (80 tons with 12.5tons per axle) and into STGO3 (150 tons with 16 tons per axle). You didn't say which S26 you have but if it is one of the RAF radar types the rear axles are rated at 12 tons each but the springs are only 9.1 tons each. You could use the springs and wheels/tyres from an RAF re-fueler to get the full 12 ton rating but you would need to get the vehicle recertified. With a 4 axle trailer and under STGO 2 you could then theoretically run at 80 tons, (4x12.5+2x12+6) but this would leave no margin for loading error.
STGO3 is probably the way to go, a four axle trailer with 16 ton axles could take a greater weight and the S26 would not need uprating. Incidentally the plate on the RAF versions gives a 65 ton max train weight but the civilian versions were 100 tons with the same specification, I have the spec sheets in front of me.
You need to do your sums, decide how often you may want to move it and balance the cost of owning/running/storing an expensive bit of kit against hiring a contractor to move it for you, RFL alone is 2585 pa if used commercially, not sure if you could tax it as a private heavy goods.

Mike, I am interested in your comment about the springs only being rated to 9.1 tons each, I too am currently preparing an ex-RAF S26 for very similar purposes to Mark (moving things wide and heavy which belong to me). I never really considered the springs as they "looked" as substantial as those on my 35T RE Crusader. Any chance you can post copies of the spec sheets ? I also felt that the original 10.00 x 20 tyres were a bit underated so have now fitted 12.00 x 20 all round. The truck did actually come with 12.00 x 20 on the front but I think these may have been a civilian mod as unlike Mark's recent purchase mine has already been used on the show circuit. Upgrading to 12.00s on the rear also gives an upgrade of 10% to road speed in each gear. I also intend using a 4 axle trailer my American M747.
John.

Markheliops
29-03-2013, 15:23
Ditto John.

Any help in this would be greatly appreciated as I want to up-plate the S26 and will need to have the civi spec sheet to hand if I am going to have any joy.

I am hoping it is a mere paperwork exercise that can be done when I have the S26 MOT'd but as I am a virgin at all this I really am fumbling in the dark.

Markheliops

antar
30-03-2013, 08:28
Does anyone know what trailer this is?

I am looking for a trailer to put on the back of a Scammell S26 I have just purchased to carry my Chieftain ARRV.

I thought 3 axle trailers would not be an option with axle load weights, etc or is this another example of the Army not having to meet C&U regs?

Markheliops

Just to answer the question it is an AMX13 trailer ex-French Army, why it was ever on a 3.5" pin I'll never know !

protruck
30-03-2013, 09:56
Hi John.

If you have the VIN plate in the cab i can send you the scammell/Leyland E.E.C VIN chart so that you can check the weight of your 6x4 unit. If there is no plate the chassis number is ok.

Clive.

Markheliops
30-03-2013, 10:18
Hi John.

If you have the VIN plate in the cab i can send you the scammell/Leyland E.E.C VIN chart so that you can check the weight of your 6x4 unit. If there is no plate the chassis number is ok.

Clive.

Hi Clive.

That will be useful to me too. My VIN plate is shown below:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u233/Markheliops/Scammell%20S26/DSCF0682_zps59065542.jpg

Does anyone know if up-plating the S26 is a paperwork exercise or something more substantial?

I want to up-plate to 85 tonnes minimum.

Many thanks

Markheliops

protruck
30-03-2013, 10:41
Hi Mark.

Send me your home email in a PM, and i will send it across.

Clive

Markheliops
30-03-2013, 10:55
PM sent Clive.

Thank you.

radiomike7
30-03-2013, 14:53
Mike, I am interested in your comment about the springs only being rated to 9.1 tons each, I too am currently preparing an ex-RAF S26 for very similar purposes to Mark (moving things wide and heavy which belong to me). I never really considered the springs as they "looked" as substantial as those on my 35T RE Crusader. Any chance you can post copies of the spec sheets ? I also felt that the original 10.00 x 20 tyres were a bit underated so have now fitted 12.00 x 20 all round. The truck did actually come with 12.00 x 20 on the front but I think these may have been a civilian mod as unlike Mark's recent purchase mine has already been used on the show circuit. Upgrading to 12.00s on the rear also gives an upgrade of 10% to road speed in each gear. I also intend using a 4 axle trailer my American M747.
John.

Hi John, the data sheet shows 9147kg as each rear spring capacity with the SOMA axles rated at 12000kg each. As I wrote previously the RAF tankers had a heavy duty 24 ton version of the rear bogie with a couple of extra leaves in the springs, stronger rectangular radius arms in place of the tubular ones with a different X member and axle brackets, 12R22.5 tyres and 4.79:1 diffs in place of 6.39:1. The trunnions looked to be the same with longer U bolts and I speak from personal experience as I stripped one down here that I bought from DC a couple of years ago to liberate the high speed diffs which now reside in Mike Lawrence's Wynns lookalike S26.
Looking at the Crusader specs the rear bogie has a design capacity of 23780kg with a rating of 13690kg (11.7ton) which is clearly incorrect or a typo on the 09/1975 sheet for the F4 112 156HD model.
Out of interest which wheels did you use for the 12.00x20s, I seem to remember there was already a wheel spacer to increase the track for tyre/spring clearance?

antar
30-03-2013, 22:52
Hi John, the data sheet shows 9147kg as each rear spring capacity with the SOMA axles rated at 12000kg each. As I wrote previously the RAF tankers had a heavy duty 24 ton version of the rear bogie with a couple of extra leaves in the springs, stronger rectangular radius arms in place of the tubular ones with a different X member and axle brackets, 12R22.5 tyres and 4.79:1 diffs in place of 6.39:1. The trunnions looked to be the same with longer U bolts and I speak from personal experience as I stripped one down here that I bought from DC a couple of years ago to liberate the high speed diffs which now reside in Mike Lawrence's Wynns lookalike S26.
Looking at the Crusader specs the rear bogie has a design capacity of 23780kg with a rating of 13690kg (11.7ton) which is clearly incorrect or a typo on the 09/1975 sheet for the F4 112 156HD model.
Out of interest which wheels did you use for the 12.00x20s, I seem to remember there was already a wheel spacer to increase the track for tyre/spring clearance?

Mike thanks fo the info, I have had to be selective with the wheels using only 7.50 rims for the inners as the 8.00's are too close to the springs. There is something which looks like a spacer on each hub but I think it is actually part of the brake drum, but I am going to have a better look on monday. The SOMA axles are spiggot mount for the wheels, getting the originals off was quite difficult due to rust between the rim and the hub spiggot.

Do the high speed diffs from the tankers actually fit into the SOMA axles ? When I first read your post on the subject I assumed that you had fitted the whole bogie assembly not just the diffs.

I am currently fitting a 16 ton/metre crane directly behind the cab.74516

antar
30-03-2013, 23:12
Hi John.

If you have the VIN plate in the cab i can send you the scammell/Leyland E.E.C VIN chart so that you can check the weight of your 6x4 unit. If there is no plate the chassis number is ok.

Clive.

The vin on the log book reads SBSM6A37RSLF76698 which is a bit strange as Mark's vin is RSAF ? will check my registration document against the vin plate on Monday to confirm.

protruck
31-03-2013, 02:03
The vin on the log book reads SBSM6A37RSLF76698 which is a bit strange as Mark's vin is RSAF ? will check my registration document against the vin plate on Monday to confirm.


Hi John.

The difference in the VIN numbers between your's and Mark's is A = January & L = December Month of Build.

Hope that helps.

Clive

radiomike7
31-03-2013, 15:39
Mike thanks fo the info, I have had to be selective with the wheels using only 7.50 rims for the inners as the 8.00's are too close to the springs. There is something which looks like a spacer on each hub but I think it is actually part of the brake drum, but I am going to have a better look on monday. The SOMA axles are spiggot mount for the wheels, getting the originals off was quite difficult due to rust between the rim and the hub spiggot.

Do the high speed diffs from the tankers actually fit into the SOMA axles ? When I first read your post on the subject I assumed that you had fitted the whole bogie assembly not just the diffs.

I am currently fitting a 16 ton/metre crane directly behind the cab.

The spacers are a separate piece and just slide over the studs, it may be possible to use 2 as the studs are quite long and the wheel nuts are also longer than modern equivalents. You may have to watch the overall width though.

The tanker diffs are the same size as on the tractors and a direct fit in the axles, I couldn't swap the axles as the main cross member and brackets for the radius arms were different. If ever you need to remove the leading axle diff give me a shout as there are 2 nuts which took some head scratching to locate.

If you ever take it off road make sure the center diff is locked, the gear that drives the pinion shaft is fitted metal to metal on the through drive shaft and will weld itself together if the diff spins for any time.

IIRC the tanker springs were 11 leaf rather than 9 on the tractor.

What is that crane from, is it ex military?

Mike

antar
31-03-2013, 15:45
Afternoon Mike,
Thanks for the info on the diffs I think I will keep my eyes open for a pair. No the crane is not military, it is a Ferrari of another MVT members rigid transporter, that it is why it is in deep bronze green. He is upgrading the transporter to carry a 432 so had to remove the crane due to axle weight issues.

radiomike7
31-03-2013, 16:03
Theoretical V max will be 70mph but will give a sensible 55mph cruise. Most of the tankers will have done nominal miles but in my case with just 40k miles on the clock the bearings were in a terrible state, I assume with the short journeys the diff oil never got hot enough to evaporate any condensation that built up. I was also going to convert the trailing axle to spring brakes as I had all the parts but Clive advised that it may be necessary to increase the size of the air tank used to blow the brakes off, apparently modern regs stipulate 4 parking brake releases with the engine stopped.

antar
01-04-2013, 22:08
Theoretical V max will be 70mph but will give a sensible 55mph cruise. Most of the tankers will have done nominal miles but in my case with just 40k miles on the clock the bearings were in a terrible state, I assume with the short journeys the diff oil never got hot enough to evaporate any condensation that built up. I was also going to convert the trailing axle to spring brakes as I had all the parts but Clive advised that it may be necessary to increase the size of the air tank used to blow the brakes off, apparently modern regs stipulate 4 parking brake releases with the engine stopped.

Would that be with the 12.00 x 20 tyres as these give a 10% increase on the 10.00 tyres ? I asume you had to do away with the diff locks with the faster diffs ?

Checked the rear springs on the S26 today, they are identical to the ones on my Crusader 35T tractor, 8 leaves 3.5" wide with a total depth of 7" work that one out. You were right about the wheel spacers, they are 1/2" thick and fixed to the drums with countersunk screws. With 7.50 rims on the inside there is just over 1/2" of clearance between the 12.00 tyre and the spring, tried one of the 8.00" wheel and tyre assemblies on the inner and the tyre is CLOSE but not touching !

radiomike7
01-04-2013, 23:01
Would that be with the 12.00 x 20 tyres as these give a 10% increase on the 10.00 tyres ? I asume you had to do away with the diff locks with the faster diffs ?

Checked the rear springs on the S26 today, they are identical to the ones on my Crusader 35T tractor, 8 leaves 3.5" wide with a total depth of 7" work that one out. You were right about the wheel spacers, they are 1/2" thick and fixed to the drums with countersunk screws. With 7.50 rims on the inside there is just over 1/2" of clearance between the 12.00 tyre and the spring, tried one of the 8.00" wheel and tyre assemblies on the inner and the tyre is CLOSE but not touching !

No, with 295/80 22.5 which are almost the same diameter as 10.00R20. You would get a further 10% with 12.00R20.
Not sure why you think the diff locks would be a problem??
The tankers used a 12R22.5 tyre on an 8.25" rim with a single spacer but the 12R22.5 tyres are nominally 292mm wide compared with 12.00R20 at 313mm.
The tankers were outside of C&U regs, IIRC they grossed at 30 tons laden, 24t on the bogie and 6t on the front. The rear springs were definitely +2 leaves on the tractor I had here.

antar
02-04-2013, 21:26
No, with 295/80 22.5 which are almost the same diameter as 10.00R20. You would get a further 10% with 12.00R20.
Not sure why you think the diff locks would be a problem??
The tankers used a 12R22.5 tyre on an 8.25" rim with a single spacer but the 12R22.5 tyres are nominally 292mm wide compared with 12.00R20 at 313mm.
The tankers were outside of C&U regs, IIRC they grossed at 30 tons laden, 24t on the bogie and 6t on the front. The rear springs were definitely +2 leaves on the tractor I had here.

Evening Mike,
I thought the axle diff locks would work on the old diff and changing them over would render them inoperative. I have no manuals or parts books for the SOMA axles so do not know the internal layout. I don't doubt you at all but am still surprised that you can take the diffs out of a tanker with British made axles and transfer them into the SOMA French built axles with no problems... or am I missing something ?

John.

radiomike7
02-04-2013, 22:41
Evening Mike,
I thought the axle diff locks would work on the old diff and changing them over would render them inoperative. I have no manuals or parts books for the SOMA axles so do not know the internal layout. I don't doubt you at all but am still surprised that you can take the diffs out of a tanker with British made axles and transfer them into the SOMA French built axles with no problems... or am I missing something ?

John.

Yes, they both have SOMA axles, are you confusing the S26 tanker http://www.flickr.com/photos/36917100@N06/5337013858
with the T45 re-cabbed Bison version?
http://www.military-vehicle-photos.com/picture/number1078.asp

The only difference I found on the S26 tanker/tractor axles is the bracketing for the radius arms and the diff ratios. The S26 has both inter axle and cross axle diff locks, I believe the Crusader only had an inter axle lock.

antar
03-04-2013, 21:48
Yes, they both have SOMA axles, are you confusing the S26 tanker http://www.flickr.com/photos/36917100@N06/5337013858
with the T45 re-cabbed Bison version?
http://www.military-vehicle-photos.com/picture/number1078.asp

The only difference I found on the S26 tanker/tractor axles is the bracketing for the radius arms and the diff ratios. The S26 has both inter axle and cross axle diff locks, I believe the Crusader only had an inter axle lock.

Yes that is where I'm confused. So does the S26 Tanker also have hub reduction ? seen plenty of them at Withams recently but never really looked at the axles. Crusader 35T RE Tractor only has inter-axle locks, the Crusader EKA has cross locks as well.

radiomike7
04-04-2013, 03:15
Yes that is where I'm confused. So does the S26 Tanker also have hub reduction ? seen plenty of them at Withams recently but never really looked at the axles. Crusader 35T RE Tractor only has inter-axle locks, the Crusader EKA has cross locks as well.

Yes! Same type with the flat cover and 8 bolts.

AndyFowler
09-04-2013, 17:49
Rare one on Ebay at the moment ! :D http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290894341724&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_410wt_910

scammell 7377
09-04-2013, 20:09
very rare i dont recall how many they made i only saw one when i was driving and that drove right around me as i was bogged down in a feild very good off road but as i recall plated at 38 tons and a payload of 21 ? tons so they never caught on when was the last time anyone saw one on the road
Rare one on Ebay at the moment ! :D http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290894341724&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_410wt_910

RCT(V)
10-04-2013, 07:03
very rare i dont recall how many they made i only saw one when i was driving and that drove right around me as i was bogged down in a feild very good off road but as i recall plated at 38 tons and a payload of 21 ? tons so they never caught on when was the last time anyone saw one on the road
Looks like it was the "proto-type" for all those similarly configured Fodens that the Army bought :undecided:

N.O.S.
10-04-2013, 09:01
Rare one on Ebay at the moment ! :D http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290894341724&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_410wt_910

'Other items' include a Holmes 45 twin boom wrecker unit and another similar - any DT nutters out there need one?

petop
21-04-2013, 12:45
Looks like it was the "proto-type" for all those similarly configured Fodens that the Army bought :undecided:

I was involved the trails of the Multidrive Foden/MWD tankers. The one on Ebay is the MK1 Multidrive configuration with drawbar type steering mechanism. The original mil buy was used in the first Gulf war to carry fuel and if i remember water as well. There were 2 tank and single tank ones. The 2 tank version used the tanks that were actually earmarked to be sold to Saddam Hussein for aircraft refuelling but this obviously fell through so were bolted on the back of the Multidrive chassis. But the MK1 Multidrives actually used a Bedford TM type tractor units with a very big loud Caterpillar engine in it. These were used later in Bosnia but were soon replaced with the Foden version with an improved Mulitdrive chassis, doing away without the drawbar method of steering. Of course they had a powered rear bogi and as previously mentioned were very good cross-country but were limited to amount of payload.
The final version again, with Foden tractor units and more strengthened chassis on the back end were the last time employed in mil service and were sold off at Withams i think not so long ago. Funny thing was i trialled the original ones back in 1991 or so then whilst i was in Bosnia around 2003/4 the last ones were being sent back to UK of which i was repsonsible for getting them prepared.
I suspect the S26 version on Ebay was what Multidrive used to sell to Quarry Companies of which a few bought.

ANDYC
22-04-2013, 21:42
Crouch's S26 at the NEC recently

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