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AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 20:20
For the older Scammells in your life !

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 20:27
Hopefully this old girl is on the road to preservation! She is on the button ! http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC02907.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 20:27
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC02905.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 20:28
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC02904.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:04
R100 artillery tractor destined for preservation ! http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC02913.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:06
Formerly used as a recovery vehicle on contract to British Road Services. http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC02917.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:10
SV/2S recovery vehicle sadly with a frosted engine block but due for repair ! http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC029242.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:38
War and Peace show Pioneer SV/2S http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC01460.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:39
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC01567.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:42
Brian Carters SV/2S showing the youngsters the way around War and Peace show arena 2007 ! http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC01498.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:42
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC01499.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:44
Brian's wife Christine owns this lovely R100 W+P 2007 ! http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC01384.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:47
Perfect ! Great Dorset Steam Fair 2007 ! http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC01721.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:47
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC01723.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:50
TRMU/30 Tank transporter G.D.S.F 2007 http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC01765.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:50
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC01769.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:52
SV/2S GDSF 2007 http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC01792.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:53
Modified Pioneer SV/2S GDSF 2007 http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC01822.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:53
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC01825.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:54
SV/2S GDSF 2007 http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC01838.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:55
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC01840.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:56
Modified SV/2S GDSF 2007 http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC01877.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 21:59
Beautifull SV/2S at Chatham Historic Dockyard for the South East England Scammell Roadrun 2006 http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC00521.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 22:02
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC00522.jpg

AndyFowler
13-04-2008, 22:03
Scammell fan Amos Bodsworth's SV/2S at the Wrotham Steam and Country Fair 2007 http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC00975.jpg

antarmike
19-04-2008, 21:23
Anotherone bites the dust...
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q208/antarmike/georgesanders030.jpg

Richard Farrant
19-04-2008, 22:32
Back in the 1960's there was a road planing gang that used to work in this area at times. They used a Pioneer gun tractor in pretty original condition with a bulk fuel tank in the back to fuel the burner. The firm was E.A.R.A.T., which I think was East Anglian Roadstone & Transport, truck was painted red. Anyone got a photo of their Pioneer as I did not take photos of it sadly.

Richard

antarmike
20-04-2008, 19:56
Lost in the crash
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q208/antarmike/14-03-2008185424.jpg

ashley
20-04-2008, 20:31
This one looks like Tom Osborne`s from Romsey way

Ashley


Lost in the crash
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q208/antarmike/14-03-2008185424.jpg

antarmike
20-04-2008, 20:58
Now up for sale..

6 X 6
21-04-2008, 15:07
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/wg3376b.jpg

6 X 6
23-04-2008, 23:13
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/sc006deac4.jpg

6 X 6
02-05-2008, 19:38
Wroughton Show about 10 years ago.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/sc000cfa54.jpg

antarmike
08-05-2008, 13:50
The last shot is Christened "Bastardslow" if I remember. It was dragged out of a hedge in Wales and I beleive it is a Civvy heavy haulage (80 ton) variant and is geared to a little over 12-18 mph.

6 X 6
08-05-2008, 18:35
That is indeed "Bastardslow", has anyone seen it recently ?

Richard Farrant
08-05-2008, 22:30
The last shot is Christened "Bastardslow" if I remember. It was dragged out of a hedge in Wales and I beleive it is a Civvy heavy haulage (80 ton) variant and is geared to a little over 12-18 mph.

Mike,

It could be the tank transporter version, or based on it, judging by the long wheelbase. I was given to understand that the rear axle ratio was lower on them with a top speed of around 15 mph. That ties in with the top speed you quote. When the REME restored the longest serving Pioneer in the army, which was a recovery that was last used in Belize, it was found to have one of these low geared axles. I remember the chap who collected it from the workshops at Aldershot, saying how a bee was flying along in front of the windscreen and getting away from him!

Richard

madrat
31-05-2008, 23:09
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/madrat101/scammell7.jpg
My Pioneer waiting patiently for its trip up north!

madrat
31-05-2008, 23:13
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/madrat101/IMG_4907.jpg
And another of her home for the last 10 years

croc
05-07-2008, 10:27
Here are a couple I saw at a brief visit to Bloxham Steam Rally.

The Caffyns one was in the care of Chris Acock and the other was owned by a chap called Terry.

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/14/img1049zr7.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6894/img1051gx8.jpg

Richard Farrant
05-07-2008, 20:21
Here are a couple I saw at a brief visit to Bloxham Steam Rally.

and the other was owned by a chap called Terry.



FUF47 used to be in the Warnham War Museum in Sussex, many years ago, and I think was owned by Jeff Theobald. He used to tow a 7 1/2 ton recovery trailer with Bren Carrier on it.

chambers101
07-07-2008, 14:09
I know a man called Terry who is really into Pioneers. He lives in lincolnshire and ownes 4 Pioneers now.

SV2S
08-07-2008, 08:07
Jeff Theobald was indeed the owner/restorer of FUF47, and over the period of its restoration had many more. It is probably one of the most original Pioneers on the circuit and Jeff supplied us with a few hard to find items including the 3 foot hub spanner when we bought ours. Jeff and my father have known each other since the 60's when Jeff had a yard in Exeter where he had countless rare vehicles including Kubel, Schwimmer etc, he also saved the unique Humber Hexonaut from a saw mill not 2 miles from my offices, we also have a cine film of Jeff, Dad and friends in the Exeter yard recieving a GMC CCKW on suspended tow behind a Mack No that was operated by the local garage!!

Richard Farrant
08-07-2008, 20:55
Jeff and my father have known each other since the 60's when Jeff had a yard in Exeter where he had countless rare vehicles including Kubel, Schwimmer etc, he also saved the unique Humber Hexonaut from a saw mill not 2 miles from my offices,

I seem to recollect he had some vehicles on display in the grounds of Powderham Castle and am sure I saw the Hexonaut there. That would be back in early Seventies I reckon.

catweazle (Banned Member)
08-07-2008, 23:25
I bumped into Jeff at the Queen Elizabeth country park on the a3 near Hindhead he is into steam cars now,we went over the charlie mann sarga.I am going to see him to hopefully copy all his pics and he has film of Harry pounds yard when it was full of bren gun carriers.

AndyFowler
10-07-2008, 10:36
Anyone need this frame ?:-D http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280244652535&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

madrat
12-07-2008, 12:54
Anyone need this frame ?:-D http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...E:B:SS:GB:1123 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280244652535&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123)

Dammit, thought no-one else spotted it! I had a quiet bid on it, Now it'll probably go for £200 :argh:

Does anyone have another of these lying around, the two on the back of my cab have been replaced with broken windows from a caravan! Nice touch...

croc
12-07-2008, 15:33
I went to visit Peter Allison last night, he lives close to where I work and is in the process of restoring his Pioneer.

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/4003/img1081ms5.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/610/img1082qg0.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6444/img1084tm0.jpg

les freathy
16-07-2008, 22:11
Nice Pioneer shots on here thought i would dig out a photo of the old NO1 not with the usual vickers independant load but this time a 18pdr Vickers gun tractor. Richard i have a photo of the E.A.R.A.T Pioneer working in Dover i will sort it out and post as soon as

les freathy
20-07-2008, 20:53
Nothing really exciting about these photos, i am sure this is the Pioneer still with the REME collection at Bordon or it maybe in the building at arborfield. What is interesting is they were taken around 40 years ago by my good friend Mike Conniford when the tractor was based outside the Moat House, note the the support jacks to take the weight off the axles

AndyFowler
27-07-2008, 23:28
Stormin's pic of the recently restored Pioneer shown being rebuilt on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi5uqBQsztM&feature=user and lots in between http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4ojlqiY1os&feature=related http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/DSC00421.jpg

Richard Farrant
27-07-2008, 23:44
Richard i have a photo of the E.A.R.A.T Pioneer working in Dover i will sort it out and post as soon as

Les,

Just spotted your post, look forward to seeing the photo.

AndyFowler
01-08-2008, 10:21
Pioneer on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250277290232&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123#ebayphotohosting

les freathy
02-08-2008, 14:41
A photo of one of Pickfords Pioneer tractors taken in the north London area in the 1950s

younggun
02-08-2008, 22:36
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/nickthebubble/030-2.jpg
welland rally 2008

les freathy
03-08-2008, 21:01
early Pioneer with AA gun mounting on the roof

les freathy
03-08-2008, 21:03
finally a transporter with Matida load

gritineye
03-08-2008, 22:42
finally a transporter with Matida load

Pity that wasn't a video that would have been impressive to watch!

younggun
03-08-2008, 22:48
credit where credit is due u rearly have some brilliant photos thanks for posting

Ed Batchelor
11-08-2008, 22:14
http://www.fotothing.com/photos/9de/9de68b183abe9fc6ca6a56ca08366921.jpg

Don't suppose there's many of these around now, TRMU 20 rather than the more common (if you can call them common!) TRMU 30. Apparently this machine saw little or no action during the war as its 20ton rating was insufficient to pull the tanks which were growing increasingly heavier. It spent all its civilian life working for R Edwards the showmen of Swindon until laid up in 1971. Engine now rebuilt and front of cab replaced, just needs finishing....
I read earlier some dicussion on the gearing/final drive of these machines (tank transporters), they were indeed different to the recovery/artillery Pioneers. The same engine (Gardner 6LW) and gearbox (6 speed "crash box") is used but an entirely different rear axle with lower final drive ratio. Even the walking beams/hubs are different. They use 15.00X20 tyres on the rear as opposed to the recovery/artillery which use 14.00X20. This machine as previously mentioned is the 20 ton model tank transporter, identifiable by the 8 stud fron wheels and should have 10.50X20 tyres. Top speed 18mph!

AndyFowler
11-08-2008, 23:18
Thanks for posting mate ! Very informative ! Andy F

abn deuce
12-08-2008, 01:06
Great Vehicle for the arena at events but would need to be put on a low loader to travel any distance what with it being limited to 18 mph .
Nice to see you have saved it and will be very eager to see how it comes along .

les freathy
18-08-2008, 10:56
Kent based Blundells Pioneer recovery posed at Whitfield on the A2, Richard i am still trying to locate the road burner photo in Dover

scott9643
19-08-2008, 23:07
I've followed this thread and thought you might be interested in this!
This one looks abandoned and unloved and is lying in a chicken field by the A38 near Cullompton in Devon
http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/F:\My Pictures\Scammell\In field\DSC00160.JPG

scott9643
19-08-2008, 23:47
I visited an MV collector called Jeff Williams from Gloucester early part of this year and he had FUF 47 for sale at 6.5K. He said he bought it to shift his 432 around, but has since bought a Reo. I've got loads more pictures and info if anyone is interested.

The other picture is of the SV2S pictured at the beginning of the thread. I saw it at Hatherliegh, North Devon a year or so ago and it was owned by a Mike Harris who used to live near Heathrow and bought an old wayside garage in North Devon. Interestingly, the Scammel has a Cornish registration so it's obviously done the rounds. Again, I've got loads more detail pictures if anyone is interested.

les freathy
19-08-2008, 23:59
Pioneer recovery at Waldershire park this year

6 X 6
20-08-2008, 00:50
I've got loads more detail pictures if anyone is interested.

We're all interested !!! Thank you for sharing 'photos you've already posted. Looking forward to seeing many more when you have the time. Thanks.

les freathy
25-08-2008, 18:26
Traylens Scammell Pioneer, very little has changed since its army days

younggun
27-08-2008, 22:49
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/nickthebubble/026-4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/nickthebubble/007-6.jpg

onslow park 2008

Nick Johns
28-08-2008, 11:07
Just some of the Scammells at this years GD steam fair

Tony B
28-08-2008, 15:32
Les, is that Waldershare near Dover?

AndyFowler
28-08-2008, 23:23
Lovely Pioneer at GDSF today !

gritineye
28-08-2008, 23:46
Had a chance to look at the red Booths L10 engined Explorer yet Andy?

Would love a picture of the bell housing, etc. if you could manage it mate!

AndyFowler
28-08-2008, 23:48
Sorry Bernard ! Forgot to get that pic ! I think senility may be rearing its ugly head ! :cry:

younggun
29-08-2008, 06:27
Had a chance to look at the red Booths L10 engined Explorer yet Andy?

Would love a picture of the bell housing, etc. if you could manage it
mate!

ill see wot i can do bernard i know graham booth well ill be down dorset tonite if all goes to plan

gritineye
29-08-2008, 09:37
Top man Nick, thanks

big chris
07-09-2008, 15:44
hi guys when i was looking for an explorer i was offered this unfortunatly i did not want to have such a large long time project so never bought it
thanks chris

AndyFowler
07-09-2008, 20:07
Even in that condition they are still a thing of beauty in my eyes ! Hope she gets the attention she needs one day mate ! Thanks for posting !

big steve
09-09-2008, 20:16
yeah it would have been one hell of a road trip to belgum tho heres sum more pics i want a pionner but not that much

Stormin
09-09-2008, 20:24
yeah it would have been one hell of a road trip to belgum tho heres sum more pics i want a pionner but not that much

The one at Montys near Durham is a bit better and still available I think.

big steve
09-09-2008, 21:04
thats one on my list to look at just not had the time to go and look at it yet and to think there was two pionners just round the corner from me when i was a boy, i think they were an 80toner and a tank transporter.

Stormin
09-09-2008, 21:33
thats one on my list to look at just not had the time to go and look at it yet and to think there was two pionners just round the corner from me when i was a boy, i think they were an 80toner and a tank transporter.

Thought I'd posted these pictures of the Montys Pioneer before but can't find them now. May encourage or discourage you having a look. Got more if you want to see them.

madrat
09-09-2008, 21:46
I've got 100 or so pics of the one in Monte's, pm me if you need any... I've also heard it run, it was sweet!

I do hope it finds a home, would have been a much better bet than the one I bought but then I don't take the easy route!

AndyFowler
11-09-2008, 19:50
Lovely Pioneer ! Amaxing transformation on youtube ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkBDdzrC50w

abn deuce
12-09-2008, 01:21
Not being from that side of the Pond why does it carry two different licence plates on the front of the vehicle ???

6 X 6
12-09-2008, 01:38
Not being from that side of the Pond why does it carry two different licence plates on the front of the vehicle ???

Hey deuce,

809 XUP is most likely to be it's current UK registration number and 36 YZ 00 would most likely be it's old British Army registration number which is probably still stamped on it's brass chassis plate.

You often see British owned HVM's with UK reg. numbers made up 80 9X UP to look like army numbers. It's not legal, but we don't care.

I hope this answer is acceptable as I'm the only one on forum night shift until radiomike7 takes over. Cheers.

abn deuce
12-09-2008, 23:46
Thats fine Thought it might have something to do with its antique registeration and its current registeration , over here the plates would be completely different and obvious ie its old plate dated 19?? and its current dated 20??

6 X 6
13-09-2008, 00:13
Thats fine Thought it might have something to do with its antique registeration and its current registeration , over here the plates would be completely different and obvious ie its old plate dated 19?? and its current dated 20??

So that you know absolutely everything that can possibly be known about British registration plates I should just add that if one owns a vehicle over a certain age, I think it may be, I say maybe, if the vehicle was manufactured pre 1960 and has never been registered before then you can apply for what is known as an age related plate. This means you will be issued with a three letter, three number plate for example, YSX 637, that can be displayed on your vintage vehicle in white numerals on a black background rather than having to use a modern, a much longer number, on a reflective yellow or white background that would look out of keeping on a vintage vehicle. Did you really want to know all that ? Probably not.

abn deuce
13-09-2008, 01:25
Sure all the ins and out's are of interest , I had seen mention of age related plates but not how they differed from regular or current plates . Each countries DMV as we call them here ...Department of Motor Vehicles or Registery of Motor Vehicles I m sure there are other titles , All of them have their unique rules and logic who's sole purpose is to cost you the most time and money , while at the same time appear to be helping you and keeping you from figuring out the rules.

Willyslancs
14-09-2008, 20:34
Fairhaven lancs 14.9.08

Tony B
15-09-2008, 09:08
In UK if the vehicle was used before either by the military of imported and you can prove to Drivers & Vehicle Licencensing Agency (Agency is British Political term, meaning we as tax payers have given them a pot of money to waste as they please) comonly D.V.L.A. that the age of manufacture is before intial registration, they will give an 'Age related' plate. UK V.I.N. Vehicle Index numbers, though now known as V.E.N. Vehicle Excise Number (How much money can we get out of you) stays with the vehicle for it's life, and shows the original year of registration. There is a market in 'personal' number plates, some make very stupid money. The V.L. 5 document, the document that registers the'Keeper' of the vehicle, ie those responsible for paying fines (See a pattern here?) will have marked on those issued for age related number 'Non Transferable'. For instance my 101 it's military number is 74 GJ 38 it was built 1977. When cast in 1999 if a new vehicle it would have 2 leters 02 (the new system is very confusing ) then 3 letters. As it could be shown it was manufactured in 1978 it got a registratio which was consitent for the pattern at the time YKO706S. It can be important as vehicles manufactured or registered before 1971 can claim Vehicle Excise Exemption. That is a whole new politaical boiling pot.

julezee001
17-09-2008, 23:11
Thought I should post a couple of photos of a rather tidy Pioneer which came on the IMPS run out to Bethune. Based near Chichester, it drove out and back without fault as far as I know.

6 X 6
19-09-2008, 20:57
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/DSCF0364.jpg

les freathy
20-09-2008, 17:34
War time Pioneer in one of ite intended roles

Jimh
29-09-2008, 16:36
It arrived at our place this morning. A couple of photos.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3061/2898108619_3c135c2179_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3083/2898107917_4be07db829_o.jpg

It's not too bad at all.

Edit: Just to prove it runs, here's a low quality video of it coming off the loader.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4bEq88bRquo

Stormin
29-09-2008, 17:59
Great stuff!

That's the one from Montes in Durham.
I see it's come with the weights on the front. I was told they weren't there, I guess he's since found them which is a bonus.
I heard it running when I had a look although it did seem to be up and down on the revs as though the governer wasn't working correctly. I'm sure someone on here will know how to sort that out.
I seem to remember a lack of coolant in the radiator too.

There's been a few times over the past month of trials and tribulations with my Ward La France were i wondered if I'd made the right decision in buying it instead of the Scammell. Now at least I know I can't reverse my decision.

Good luck with the project.

AndyFowler
29-09-2008, 21:41
[QUOTE=Jimh;101916]It arrived at our place this morning. A couple of photos. She looks very nice ! Well done for saving her , please keep us posted on progress ! :-D

Richard Hughes
08-10-2008, 12:22
Earlier on in this thread there was some mention of tank transporters(20 & 30 ton) . I remember a few years ago there was an immaculate TRMU30 with trailer on the show scene with a BMP1 bolted to the back , it was at the shows for a couple of years then went up for sale and disapeared, Is it still around or even still in this country? I attach the only photo of it I can find.

Richard

Ed Batchelor
08-10-2008, 23:04
We have a 20 tonner (no trailer) don't know of another. Don't know what happened to this one though, Ive got some pictures of it...somewhere will look for them along with some matador ones supposed to be digging out and scanning...

gritineye
08-10-2008, 23:52
Earlier on in this thread there was some mention of tank transporters(20 & 30 ton) . I remember a few years ago there was an immaculate TRMU30 with trailer on the show scene with a BMP1 bolted to the back , it was at the shows for a couple of years then went up for sale and disapeared, Is it still around or even still in this country? I attach the only photo of it I can find.

Richard

Yep, it was immaculate, I remember it was driven to the W&P show and arriving with all the rubbers missing from the Metalastic couplings, which were brass and all shiny with the wear! Seem to remember £15,000 was being asked for it, seems cheap now!

radiomike7
09-10-2008, 03:30
Yep, it was immaculate, I remember it was driven to the W&P show and arriving with all the rubbers missing from the Metalastic couplings, which were brass and all shiny with the wear! Seem to remember £15,000 was being asked for it, seems cheap now!

Is this the one that lived on the south coast, possibly near to Southampton? If so, I remember supplying a kit of parts to re-build the gearbox.

Richard Farrant
10-10-2008, 23:57
Is this the one that lived on the south coast, possibly near to Southampton? If so, I remember supplying a kit of parts to re-build the gearbox.

That sounds like Tom Osbourne's one, he had a civvy type trailer.

I think the one in question came from Midlands area :confused:

radiomike7
12-10-2008, 00:07
That sounds like Tom Osbourne's one, he had a civvy type trailer.




That could be the one.

les freathy
12-10-2008, 10:56
I took this photo many years ago at one of John Carters old rallies could have been at Shottersbrooke who owns the pioneer now

les freathy
12-10-2008, 21:36
Nice civvy conversion

AndyFowler
13-10-2008, 00:14
The Carters "Topper" Ex RAF R100 basking in the sunshine at the Scammell roadrun at Chatham Dockyard today ! http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/ScammellroadrunChatham2008078.jpg

goldfinger
13-10-2008, 07:22
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/sc006deac4.jpg
I used to own this Pioneer,would love to buy it back if anyone knows who owns it now.

Brooky
17-10-2008, 17:43
Some piccies of Pioneers in civvy street. Some of these vehicles had longer lives in civilian use than in service.

Smithy
20-10-2008, 17:04
I was in Sheffield on Sunday and while driving around noticed a yard with some old lorries in it. I decided to stop and have a look and attached are two pics that I took on my phone. The yard was S Harrison & Sons and I think they are/were road hauliers.
I couldnt get any closer, but I'm sure that the white lorry is a Pioneer (without an engine I must add). There was also five Scammell Highwaymans in the open and also from what I could see at least two covered up along with an Albion which was in an open fronted shed.

Brooky
20-10-2008, 17:29
I was in Sheffield on Sunday and while driving around noticed a yard with some old lorries in it. I decided to stop and have a look and attached are two pics that I took on my phone. The yard was S Harrison & Sons and I think they are/were road hauliers.
I couldnt get any closer, but I'm sure that the white lorry is a Pioneer (without an engine I must add). There was also five Scammell Highwaymans in the open and also from what I could see at least two covered up along with an Albion which was in an open fronted shed.

Yes quite right, they were road hauliers (dont know if they are still in business) and were famous for the fleet of Scammell Highwayman that they ran that were converted with a second steer axle to allow them to run at 32tonnes. I can remember coming down off Woodhead pass on a foggy morning in 1994 to be confronted by one of these contraptions fully freighted heading towards Manchester.

Smithy
20-10-2008, 18:24
Yes quite right, they were road hauliers (dont know if they are still in business) and were famous for the fleet of Scammell Highwayman that they ran that were converted with a second steer axle to allow them to run at 32tonnes. I can remember coming down off Woodhead pass on a foggy morning in 1994 to be confronted by one of these contraptions fully freighted heading towards Manchester.

I think they are still going as they did have some 'newer' tractor units in the yard with a couple of trailers. Now you have mentioned the longer Scammell's I'm pretty sure that one of the Highwayman's that was converted was still there yesterday when I visited.
Even though the yard was open, due to there being a carwash on the front of it which wasn't connected to the yard as I did ask, I didn't feel it was right to go snooping around without asking the owners first. Would love to pay another visit one day.

Ed Batchelor
20-10-2008, 19:48
looks like a pioneer back axle in the very foreground unless I'm mistaken can just make a part of a walking beam?

AndyFowler
20-10-2008, 20:19
looks like a pioneer back axle in the very foreground unless I'm mistaken can just make a part of a walking beam?
Well spotted Ed ! I thought I studied photo's !!!!!!! :-D

Degsy
27-10-2008, 20:31
There's a tidy looking Pioneer on Milweb if anybodys interested.

Stormin
27-10-2008, 20:43
There's a tidy looking Pioneer on Milweb if anybodys interested.

Think I saw this one advertised a while back but unfinished. Looks like it didn't sell then and the owner has completed the restoration now or at least painted it. The backdrop to the photo's just looks familiar from the previous ad I have in mind.

trevor@pitman4098.freeser
06-11-2008, 17:45
I've followed this thread and thought you might be interested in this!
This one looks abandoned and unloved and is lying in a chicken field by the A38 near Cullompton in Devon
http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/F:\My Pictures\Scammell\In field\DSC00160.JPG
Not quite abandoned - its fired up now and again - to move the chicken sheds it shares the field with. Ex Weston Recovery of Weston Super Mare

antarmike
09-11-2008, 18:47
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q208/antarmike/09-11-2008172422.jpg
Seen at an S.E.Davies do at Astwood Bank

antarmike
09-11-2008, 18:48
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q208/antarmike/09-11-2008183442.jpg
Then owned bY Ed Bolton, Anyone know where she is now?

antarmike
09-11-2008, 18:48
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q208/antarmike/09-11-2008183614.jpg
At David Crouch's

6 X 6
12-11-2008, 22:45
Doris with younger sister.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/sc002eec8d.jpg

AndyFowler
13-11-2008, 09:51
Lovely picture ! Just need one of all Ex-military Scammell types together now and I'd never change my screen saver again ! :-D

Richard Hughes
17-11-2008, 08:03
The photo of the Ed Bolton Pioneer posted by AntarMike looks suspicously like my one did when I first got it (with alot more rust) The colour scheme and mods eg weight box cut down, revised cab side and rear windows are all the same . I will try and find a photo and post it .

Richard

Richard Hughes
18-11-2008, 08:00
I managed to find a copy photo of my Pioneer when I first got it (about 10 years ago) . Just one question to antarmike roughly when was your photo taken of the Ed Bolton Pioneer ?

Thanks
Richard Hughes

SV2S
18-11-2008, 12:04
Think this is the Pioneer that was recently posted on Milweb, this is clearly pre- paint job

SV2S
18-11-2008, 12:14
Our 1942 SV2S prior to strip down for restoration, also a wreck mt brither looked at in Wales, restoration had been started but a marriage breakdown led to it being sold in bits, this one finally ended up on ebay and we have not heard of it since.

antarmike
18-11-2008, 19:27
I guess I took the photo in 1988 or 89, Ed Bolton lived (lives??) near Amersham...He was into steam engines and bought the pioneer to shunt them in his yard etc,,,,

Richard Hughes
20-11-2008, 08:11
That ties in with what I got told when I bought the Pioneer . Just interesting that in the space of about 10 years the back body wood work was removed and most of the steel was cut (now replaced) . Thanks for the info

Richard

les freathy
26-11-2008, 20:49
Pioneer pulling in a Matador in Italy 1944

Niels v
06-12-2008, 15:31
Hi here Is my Xmas present for myself this year. :-D

N.O.S.
06-12-2008, 16:15
That'll take some wrapping up! Nice one, a nice looking project!

AndyFowler
06-12-2008, 17:33
Blimey Niels ! You know how to get presents you REALLY want ! No socks and hankerchiefs for you ! Lovely to see another old girl preserved ! Merry Christmas indeed ! :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

Niels v
06-12-2008, 18:01
Thank you very much guys :)
I thought that it would be sad if it ahd to spend another Christmas out side....
It is a runner but the cab and wood needs alot of attaintion.

abn deuce
06-12-2008, 19:02
ITs a good thing you got it now as old Saint Nick would bust your chimney trying to get that down it on Christmas eve !!

Niels v
06-12-2008, 19:43
:rofl:

Willyslancs
09-12-2008, 20:14
found a pioneer whilst out on the road with work, will try and get a pic next time im back near it . it seems to have a large metal thing on the back (anchor , spade type thing ) what would it be used for ?(not a jib , mounted lower down on rear )

AndyFowler
09-12-2008, 20:21
I think that would be a ground anchor for use when winching mate ! Was it like this one ?

Willyslancs
09-12-2008, 20:24
yes a bit , but a lot larger i think ........hope fully will be back near it this week :coffee:

Niels v
09-12-2008, 22:58
Hi
I just noticed something on my Scammell, it has a vertical wheel above the rear winch outtake, is this a mod? Because haven’t been able to find it on any other that I have pictures of.
Cheers

I have marked it with a red cirkel

gritineye
09-12-2008, 23:00
Looks like a mod to give a power lift to the jib, up over the pulley block and down, quite clever stuff.

Richard Farrant
09-12-2008, 23:04
Hi
I just noticed something on my Scammell, it has a vertical wheel above the rear winch outtake, is this a mod?

Neils,

The winch rollers are missing from the rear as well.

Niels v
09-12-2008, 23:50
Hi Richard
Yes that is correct, the rollers are missing, but I think that is due to some damage, it looks that way.
So I am looking for a set if any one has spare ones.
It seems that the vertical wheel sits where there normally is a box.
Cheers

6 X 6
10-12-2008, 20:14
Pioneer Gun Tractor towing an 8" Howitzer. This 'photo is dated 1940.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/8inchHowitzerTowedByScammellPioneer.jpg

Edd
16-12-2008, 11:33
Does anyone have a digital picture of the 6x6 pioneer climbing the side of the factory wall? Or alternatively the 6x6 gun tractor on trial?

Thanks
Ed

antarmike
16-12-2008, 17:12
Well actually climbing angled wooden straked planks, leant against the wall seeing as climbing a vertical wall would not have been possible!
Memory tells me these where at about 80 degrees not 90.

daz76
21-12-2008, 13:25
I was in Sheffield on Sunday and while driving around noticed a yard with some old lorries in it. I decided to stop and have a look and attached are two pics that I took on my phone. The yard was S Harrison & Sons and I think they are/were road hauliers.
I couldnt get any closer, but I'm sure that the white lorry is a Pioneer (without an engine I must add). There was also five Scammell Highwaymans in the open and also from what I could see at least two covered up along with an Albion which was in an open fronted shed.
That's correct. I was given their phone number about 5 or 6 yrs ago when looking for parts for the Explorer. I think it's Sydney Harrison (memory not what it should be). They were incredibly helpful and although they had no Explorer bits, they did tell me they had a few Pioneer odds and ends and bits for some of the more 'road going' models like the Highwayman. They seemed to be genuine enthusiasts willing to help someone else keep a Scammell alive. Hope this helps. Daz

Austin
21-12-2008, 14:23
ill see wot i can do bernard i know graham booth well ill be down dorset tonite if all goes to plan
Graham Booth is my uncle, still need those pics? If so let us know.

Here is a Pioneer recently back on the rally scene.

Registration TVS 724.

Was restored back in the mid 80's by Graham into Desert colours.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/dragster172/scammellpioneer.jpg

Here it is with the engine out. It was then sold to Audsleys to use as a rolling advert (they also had a Diamond T!).

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/dragster172/Audsleyscammell.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/dragster172/AudsleysScam.jpg

After being forgotten about in the corner of there yard for about 10 years, it was restored again....

And here is how she stands now. Very impressive looking Scammell.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/dragster172/scammell__ploughing_engine_at_cara.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/dragster172/hpim0068ol1.jpg

gritineye
21-12-2008, 14:31
Graham Booth is my uncle, still need those pics? If so let us know.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/dragster172/scammell__ploughing_engine_at_cara.jpg

Yes please Austin, it's just the clutch bell houseing and how it has been converted I'm interested in, as I think mine could do with some improvement, no rush, thanks. That's some anchor on the back :shocked:

AndyFowler
21-12-2008, 15:23
What a beauty Austin ! With your family connections shouldn't you have a Scammell as well ! Lovely photos please keep em coming ! :-D

Austin
21-12-2008, 15:35
What a beauty Austin ! With your family connections shouldn't you have a Scammell as well ! Lovely photos please keep em coming ! :-D
I'd love one, I'll be going to check one this week, its about 10 miles away at a saw mill. I havent seen it yet but the guy who told me doesnt know whether its a Pongo or Explorer but it hasnt moved for 10+ years.

Fingers crossed.

younggun
21-12-2008, 15:47
dont froget to take your camara austin we all love new pics in the gallerys

nick

radiomike7
21-12-2008, 17:35
Does anyone have a digital picture of the 6x6 pioneer climbing the side of the factory wall? Or alternatively the 6x6 gun tractor on trial?

Thanks
Ed

http://www.scammellregister.co.uk/history-of-scammell.html
and scroll down the page

chambers101
23-12-2008, 14:05
Had an old friend my dad's pop round the other night. His name is Terry Welch. Don't know if anyone knows him on here. He is a big Pioneer fan. He said he might have to sell some of his vehicles.

abn deuce
26-12-2008, 03:29
a clip of some heavy hauling by Pickfords here with a Scammell Pioneer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94tajprCCFQ

6 X 6
31-12-2008, 00:15
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/2799076575_483ba1e63b_b.jpg

catweazle (Banned Member)
05-01-2009, 20:50
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii109/jtrafford/Military%20fair%20scammell%20meat/scamell0001.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii109/jtrafford/Military%20fair%20scammell%20meat/scamell0007.jpg

gritineye
05-01-2009, 20:52
Now that's a rare un CW!

6 X 6
05-01-2009, 20:56
CW, two priceless photographs. Thanks for posting them on here.

AndyFowler
05-01-2009, 21:04
Nice Pics CW ! I drove all the way to this firms yard last year to buy a spare gearbox for Daisy ! Lovely bloke ! Just wish I'd had more time to spare when there as he had loads of great stories ! Has a nice big shed with an Explorer,Antar,Martian,mint Humber 1 ton GS,Scammell S26 and a couple of Crusaders ! Still uses the Explorer occasionally to recover military vehicles for the Army ! There is an article about them in January's Heritage Commercial magazine No229 if you are interested ! He did regret selling this Pioneer apparently ! :-D

daz76
05-01-2009, 23:01
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/2799076575_483ba1e63b_b.jpg
Is this the Boscombe Down one 6x6? doesn't it have a mini version which is displayed with it sometimes? Daz

AndyFowler
05-01-2009, 23:16
Yeah Daz ! Beautifull little tool ! Should get one for my son !

Richard Farrant
05-01-2009, 23:37
Now that's a rare un CW!


There is one like that with dummy "concrete" ballast blocks, restored and rallied in Dorset.

Nice photos :tup::

daz76
05-01-2009, 23:51
Yeah Daz ! Beautifull little tool ! Should get one for my son !
Built on a reliant chassis if my memory is correct? Thanks for the pic Andy. Daz

6 X 6
09-01-2009, 01:05
One of two supplied to the Danish army by the British army just after WW11. About time they gave them back.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/scammelltrmu30_1.jpg

Niels v
09-01-2009, 03:31
Sorry but they do not exsist any more :cry:
and we actualy bought them.

6 X 6
09-01-2009, 12:17
Sorry but they do not exsist any more :cry:
and we actualy bought them.

An excellent reply. Thanks.

Niels v
09-01-2009, 13:03
But that are the only to pictures I have ever seen of them, and from what I know, they went out of service when we got the Diamonds. But have heard stories about them being used for hauling Centurions.
I have some pictures of danish used pioneers, I think that the army had 8 of them.

gritineye
09-01-2009, 13:23
Another pic I found a while ago on the web Neils, strangely does not seem to be on the site written on the pic any more.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm96/gritineye/scammelltrmu30.jpg

6 X 6
09-01-2009, 14:09
[COL
I have some pictures of danish used pioneers, I think that the army had 8 of them.

It would be very interesting to see these pictures if possible.

Niels, what is the history of your own Pioneer ? Have you been able to find out much about it ? Cheers.

6 X 6
09-01-2009, 14:15
Another pic I found a while ago on the web Neils, strangely does not seem to be on the site written on the pic any more.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm96/gritineye/scammelltrmu30.jpg

What an enormous wooden structure in the background. An aircraft hanger or simply a very large storage shed ?

Niels v
09-01-2009, 18:23
Hi
I know the final place that my scammell was used, it was at a shoting range, where it was used to haule tagets properly, around 1973, and in 63 it served with a recovery section this was on the island Bornholm.
This is what I know for certain.
it has never been registred, and havent found out yet when it was sold.
it is named MONTY, but might before have been named Jumbo.

The big wood thing could bee a aircradt hanger, as all the vehicles bought from the British was brought to an airfield and rebuild and serviced before they put into service.
The TRMU 30 served with the royal Hussar regiment, and there no hangers like that at the regiments barracks.

AndyFowler
09-01-2009, 20:08
Wow ! Fantastic collection of photos Niels ! Thanks for posting !:tup::

antarmike
09-01-2009, 20:20
Yes , brilliant thanks for posting them....

gritineye
09-01-2009, 20:24
Those two chaps in the first pic don't seem too happy to have been issued with a Pioneer :confused:

Anyone have any idea what the cables waving about above the one in the 56 pic are for?

Niels v
09-01-2009, 23:00
One thing I know about the danish Scammells, is that in late 40s and early fifties, they where mostly used for getting Humber AC back on their feet.
I have an 82 year old x M10 squadron commander, helping me with the restoration of the Humbers, he has some great stories about the scammells and all the other ww2 british vehicles that the Danish army used.

6 X 6
11-01-2009, 23:30
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/Angela.jpg

radiomike7
11-01-2009, 23:41
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/Angela.jpg

OK what happened? Did the loco come to grief under the bridge, had to be dragged out by the Pioneer and then lifted onto a transporter?

6 X 6
12-01-2009, 00:29
OK what happened? Did the loco come to grief under the bridge, had to be dragged out by the Pioneer and then lifted onto a transporter?

Sorry, here's the link.

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/53/Angela.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/53/Angela.htm&usg=__tvcEVS5iU1KF2Fhb1-2rG2DpdFo=&h=432&w=576&sz=88&hl=en&start=154&sig2=MvLNkG5y0qu2XmHonN0EfQ&tbnid=KQX5I4K_aZA6CM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=134&ei=mY5qSfCkBsasjAfd982vCA&prev=/images%3Fq%3DScammell%2BPioneer%26start%3D147%26gb v%3D2%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

daz76
12-01-2009, 01:34
Great story 6x6! This bit makes me giggle- "At this point Mr Vernon moved his Scammell a little further away"
Quite right- I would have done this rather than having a loco and crane plus part of a bridge land on top of it :-D:-D

6 X 6
12-01-2009, 01:41
"At this point Mr Vernon moved his Scammell a little further away"


Me too !

I nearly became involved in a horrendous accident while assisting an "expert" who was unloading a lorry off a low loader trailer. I now do all my own checks even if it gets peoples back up.

daz76
12-01-2009, 14:11
Me too !

I nearly became involved in a horrendous accident while assisting an "expert" who was unloading a lorry off a low loader trailer. I now do all my own checks even if it gets peoples back up.

Remember: "Ex" ("Has-been") , "(S)pert" ("A drip under pressure") :cool2:

mcspool
12-01-2009, 14:11
I was lucky I got to drive this Scammell at Beltring in 2000. I was very impressed by it's pulling power: with two Scammells on tow, driving it did not seem to make any difference!

Picture courtesy of Chris Shillito.

Regards,
Hanno

boely
12-01-2009, 18:44
Hello Hanno,

Nice to see you here!

Great picture,must be awesome to drive such an gigant!!

Greetz!

Jelle aka Boely.

gritineye
15-01-2009, 22:37
Someone posted a comment to one of my YouTube vids mentioning the 6x6 Pioneer and said it was called a Scammell Prospector, has any one heard of this name before? I haven't.

6 X 6
15-01-2009, 23:48
Someone posted a comment to one of my YouTube vids mentioning the 6x6 Pioneer and said it was called a Scammell Prospector, has any one heard of this name before? I haven't.

Called the Prospector because they're like gold dust.

antarmike
16-01-2009, 18:04
Called the Prospector because they're like gold dust.
They?? is there any evidence there was ever more than one?

radiomike7
16-01-2009, 18:30
They?? is there any evidence there was ever more than one?

If you include the Pioneer(s)? converted to 6x6 to test the Explorer concept then yes, although I assume you are thinking of the set forward axle type seen climbing the factory wall.

6 X 6
17-01-2009, 17:17
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/sc0003f7e0.jpg

http://www.scammellregister.co.uk/history-of-scammell.html

radiomike7
17-01-2009, 23:27
[quote=6 X 6;119106]http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/sc0003f7e0.jpg


Yes, they are the two types side by side, the recovery version having a fixed front mudwing on the nearside and a cycle type on the offside. I can find no sales or photo records for the early one with huge bulbous axle so it may only have existed as a prototype.:confused:

Niels v
20-01-2009, 23:11
Hi
Isn´t this a odd jib, ore is it a SV/1S Pioneer :confused:

radiomike7
20-01-2009, 23:58
Hi
Isn´t this a odd jib, ore is it a SV/1S Pioneer :confused:

Looks like it started off as an SV1S but it has been fitted with a different jib for engine removal.

Richard Farrant
21-01-2009, 00:03
Niels,
It looks like a twin GM 6-71 diesel pack being removed. That would need more reach and height to remove and refit, most likely a local modification to the Scammell as it could well be from the support workshop attached to the tank unit.

radiomike7
21-01-2009, 00:06
If you include the Pioneer(s)? converted to 6x6 to test the Explorer concept then yes, although I assume you are thinking of the set forward axle type seen climbing the factory wall.

Just remembered there was also an experimental 6x6 gun tractor with the set forward axle; there is a picture somewhere with overall rear tracks fitted and towing a tank. Also JLR 80, a 6x6 with a Rolls B80 and yet another used for wading trials. 5 and counting:)

It would be interesting to know why the B80/81 was not chosen for Explorer in the interests of standardization.

Niels v
21-01-2009, 00:44
Alright Thanks :)

Richard Farrant
21-01-2009, 18:49
It would be interesting to know why the B80/81 was not chosen for Explorer in the interests of standardization.

Maybe it was down to engine speed being too high for the gearbox and axle, also the capacity about half that of the Meadows, which would have had more torque. Although the War Office intentions of using the B range as standardised power units, practicality came into play. The Leyland Martian recovery was a joke, being classed as a "heavy recovery", with a smaller engine than the Explorer "medium recovery". The Martian recovery having a job to pull it self along, let alone another on the hook.

radiomike7
21-01-2009, 21:48
Couldn't agree with you more Richard, your comments on the Martian echo mine: http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showpost.php?p=99276&postcount=38

Still seems strange that Scammell went to the trouble and cost of building at least 2 prototypes with a B80 knowing them to be unsuitable, unless they acted on ministry instructions. Obviously AEC put their foot down otherwise we may have had B80 powered Militants:shake:

Richard Farrant
21-01-2009, 22:00
Couldn't agree with you more Richard, your comments on the Martian echo mine: http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showpost.php?p=99276&postcount=38

Still seems strange that Scammell went to the trouble and cost of building at least 2 prototypes with a B80 knowing them to be unsuitable, unless they acted on ministry instructions. Obviously AEC put their foot down otherwise we may have had B80 powered Militants:shake:

Thanks Mike :)

I would think it was MoS or WO who instigated the prototypes, there was even a old Leyland Hippo converted. Thornycroft had some lighter 6-wheel trucks that were B80 powered, I do not think they made it in to service. They were later developed into the Nubian crash tenders, and finally the LMD trenching machine which was B81 powered on what was essentially a Nubian 4x4 chassis.

A B80, or even 81, Militant does not bear thinking about :-D. A good engine......but in the right application of course.

Edd
23-01-2009, 07:19
The 6x6 gun tractor was a rebuild of an earlier 6x6 prototype. Probably one with the square body work. There was a very good article in wheels & tracks on the both the 6x6's and the one-off 4x4. Shame I can't find my copy of it!

Ed

radiomike7
23-01-2009, 11:31
The 6x6 gun tractor was a rebuild of an earlier 6x6 prototype. Probably one with the square body work. There was a very good article in wheels & tracks on the both the 6x6's and the one-off 4x4. Shame I can't find my copy of it!

Ed

Found the photo I as thinking of - 'Breakdown' p 52. It seems to have the normal gun tractor bodywork but with a set forward front axle.

antarmike
23-01-2009, 13:20
There is some evidence that when AEC were trialling the AV1100 dump truck engine in a Antar, they rebuilt an existing vehicle, and this was later rebuilt again, but keeping the AV1100.

It Might be that Scammell had a similar approach, then unless anyone has a photo of five 6x6 Pioneers side by side, it may just be that one (or two) were rebuilt several times for differenet trials, incorporating the developing knowledge into each new re-incarnation.

Edd
23-01-2009, 21:53
I've just found the wheels & tracks articles which helps fill in some of the info. There was one of the 4x4 pioneers built and this was last seen in use by the fairground family Roses in 1970. Of the 6x6's there is no definite number but the article seems to suggest a minimum of 3 of the early type and 1 off the explorer prototypes. The author suggests that either the one explorer prototype was rebuilt a number of times or there may have been 2 or 3. At one point fitted with a Gardener 8LW.

Of the earlier type it mentions photos of both civilian and military prototypes climbing up the factory wall. That would lead me to think that there were at least 2. Then it mentions would prototype for the Indian army in 1929 and then another one for the british army in 1930. The second one originally had the square bodywork. It was then rebodied to become the gun tractor 6x6 that is in Breakdown.

The 4x4 had a forerunner of the explorer front axle but the original 6x6 had a completely different axle.

I would love to know where either one of the 6x6's or the 4x4 is!

Ed

6 X 6
23-01-2009, 21:57
There was one of the 4x4 pioneers built and this was last seen in use by the fairground family Roses in 1970.


I may be able to post a 'photo of this Pioneer in a few days time.

N.O.S.
23-01-2009, 23:27
The author suggests that either the one explorer prototype was rebuilt a number of times or there may have been 2 or 3. At one point fitted with a Gardener 8LW.

The 8LW is a very rare engine indeed. This variant did not appear until 1946, and very few were produced - fitted to a few Atkinson 8 wheelers and Foden heavy haulage units (I only know of one in a vehicle - Gary Grysa's 8 wheler Foden Pickfords truck)

And the prototype 8LW resides not far from me in its original wooden crate, (well it got me excited when I saw it!).

antarmike
24-01-2009, 09:47
The 8LW is a very rare engine indeed. This variant did not appear until 1946, and very few were produced - fitted to a few Atkinson 8 wheelers and Foden heavy haulage units (I only know of one in a vehicle - Gary Grysa's 8 wheler Foden Pickfords truck)

And the prototype 8LW resides not far from me in its original wooden crate, (well it got me excited when I saw it!).

That truck SGG6 is no longer with Gary,he sold it years ago, but at one time he had two of them, both 8lw engined. The second was I believe an Adamson vehicle, with a wooden coachbuilt crew cab, but unlike SGG which had been re-engineered several times retained its original 6x4 design. sgg had been built in this format and Charlie Roades rebuilt it as a 8x6. sgg was new to the Glasgow Hiring Company and ran for Gavin Wilkie, for some years nefore passing to Pickfords.

And of couse the 8LW evolved into the 8LXB which were built in larger numbers.

6 X 6
27-01-2009, 01:16
I There was one of the 4x4 pioneers built and this was last seen in use by the fairground family Roses in 1970.

The 4x4 had a forerunner of the explorer front axle but the original 6x6 had a completely different axle.

I would love to know where either one of the 6x6's or the 4x4 is!

Ed

The caption accompanying this photograph says, "Scammell's first 4 X 4 model, a prototype gun tractor for the Admiralty, was delivered in March 1939. After the war it passed to Messrs Rose Bros. of Hounnslow, Middx, now trading as Rose's Pleasure Parks Ltd. It was completely rebuilt by Reall Coachbuilders Ltd. Slough, Bucks. the Scammell petrol engine being replaced by a 6LW Gardner 'oiler'. Other alterations including a coachbuilt cab and body and a rear end crane for lifting the Skid centre. In 1970 the bicycle- type front wings (or cycle wings) were replaced by box-type units as shown and the whole vehicle given a repaint.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/sc004314cd.jpg

Source for this and the following post; "Fairground and Circus Transport" Edited by Bart H.Vanderveen and published by Roundoak in 1973.

6 X 6
27-01-2009, 01:25
"Most popular of all wartime Scammells was the 6 X 4 'Pioneer' type supplied in various forms. A small fleet of Model R100 heavy artillery tractors was used by Dorking, Surrey. caterers Tom Benson & Sons for a number of years. The example shown here was one of the first acquired in 1950"

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/sc0043470d01.jpg

6 X 6
27-01-2009, 02:23
I've driven through Salisbury loads of times and I've never seen it. Has anyone heard of, or know anything about, this one ?

"An immaculately turned out example of the SV/25 'Pioneer' recovery tractor was travelled by Bernard Cole & Sons, Southampton for many years. The integral body incorporated a roller shutter at the rear. Later, 'Sir Hilary' as it was called (to commemorate the 1953 Everest Expedition) passed to Jimmy Williams of Tadley, Herts. and finally into preservation with Steve and Vicky Postlethwaite of Salisbury, Wilts.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/sc00475b7e02.jpg

Ed Batchelor
27-01-2009, 11:22
This one wound up in a scrap yard in cornwall,how it got there not too sure, it then passed on to a guy in summercourt in the west country who never did much to it, I think it now resides in the Southampton area and is due to be restored. I only know all this as Dad used to remember this machine when it attended Salisbury fair and has tracked its progress ever since. Will stick some photo's on when next home to scan them in, of it in its current dilapidated state. The same firm also ran a pair of Whites which were cut down to 6x4 tractor units (were rigid tank transporters) and re-engined with 6lw's. Both still exist.

gritineye
27-01-2009, 11:35
I would love to know where either one of the 6x6's or the 4x4 is!Ed

I overheard a chap in the Scammell Register display trailer saying he had tried to buy the 4x4 from the lady who still owns it, but she will not sell, this was a couple of years ago, so it probably still exists.

antarmike
01-02-2009, 14:59
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q208/antarmike/transporter.jpg
Any suggestions as to why all the tyres are marked with radial lines?

gritineye
01-02-2009, 15:06
For testing purposes, don't know exactly why. This is from a series of evaluation pictures.

Richard Farrant
03-02-2009, 22:03
I cannot recollect this Pioneer tank transporter tractor being shown on here before. It was at a Scammell rally at Beltring about 12 years ago, I think. According to the history card on it, it had only recently been disposed from RN use at a base on Southampton Water, pulling boats I presume, up a slipway.

Anyone know it? Must have been the longest serving Pioneer.

antarmike
04-02-2009, 13:27
It has done well to keep its engine covers!

AndyFowler
04-02-2009, 22:18
Couple of videos I took at Croxley Green in 2007 ! Some classic Scammells drove back to the Scammell factory site at Tolpits Lane Watford ! Nothing left except for some railings and streets named after Scammells ! :cry::cry: http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/th_MOV02125.jpg (http://s284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/?action=view&current=MOV02125.flv) http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/th_MOV02147.jpg (http://s284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/ANDYSCAMMELL/Scammell%20Pioneer/?action=view&current=MOV02147.flv)

daz76
05-02-2009, 20:19
A couple of pics of 'Herman', Q807 HNG owned at the time and probably still owned by Malcolm Bowles of Southery, Norfolk. Gardner 6LW powered and the reason I am now a Scammell ower! He let me take it for a (slow) spin around his yard aged about 12 and that as they say, was that! I knew this one for a long time and I think it had two rebuilds during it's hard working life.

nptimber
08-02-2009, 21:41
A couple of pics of 'Herman', Q807 HNG owned at the time and probably still owned by Malcolm Bowles of Southery, Norfolk. Gardner 6LW powered and the reason I am now a Scammell ower! He let me take it for a (slow) spin around his yard aged about 12 and that as they say, was that! I knew this one for a long time and I think it had two rebuilds during it's hard working life.

Herman now lives with my pioneer as he was bought by my brother a couple of years ago to save him from being scrapped. He looks to have had a very hard life as the chassis is bent in front of the crane and at one time the front drawbar hook has been snapped off ,the pto on the gearbox has been broken off possibly caused by letting the clutch out while the winch was unwinding after winching in. But apart from its battle scars its got lots of potential and if live to 120 and win the lottery it might get restored one day.!!

Smithy
10-02-2009, 21:42
As with the Matador thread I've decided to have a look back through some olf albums and found some pictures out which can be see below.

The first pic if from Birdingbury Steam and Country Rally 2007
The next three are all the same Pioneer from Birdingbury 2008
The last pic I can't remember where it was taken but it was sometime in July 2008 lol :???

AndyFowler
10-02-2009, 21:56
Nice pics mate ! Thanks for posting !:-D

Richard Farrant
10-02-2009, 22:59
The next three are all the same Pioneer from Birdingbury 2008



FUF 47 was Jeff Theobald's Pioneer. He used to tow a 7 1/2t recovery trailer with universal carrier on it...............a long time ago though.

Smithy
11-02-2009, 12:45
FUF 47 was Jeff Theobald's Pioneer. He used to tow a 7 1/2t recovery trailer with universal carrier on it...............a long time ago though.

Oh right thanks for the info Richard. I didn't see a trailer or universal carrier nearby so maybe it has changed hands, like you say it was a long time ago.
On a different note the Birdingbury Rally is a lovely little Rally that is well worth attending as there is always a big military presence their as can be seen by the pictures in the Explorer thread.

Degsy
11-02-2009, 19:08
A couple that were at Overlord 2004, the green one belongs to REME I believe

daz76
12-02-2009, 12:45
Herman now lives with my pioneer as he was bought by my brother a couple of years ago to save him from being scrapped. He looks to have had a very hard life as the chassis is bent in front of the crane and at one time the front drawbar hook has been snapped off ,the pto on the gearbox has been broken off possibly caused by letting the clutch out while the winch was unwinding after winching in. But apart from its battle scars its got lots of potential and if live to 120 and win the lottery it might get restored one day.!!

Fantastic! Glad to know Herman is still around! I'm not at all surprised by what you say as he did some pretty serious jobs during his working life. Thanks for your info nptimber. I was pretty enthralled by this old Scammell as a boy.

catweazle (Banned Member)
13-02-2009, 00:13
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii109/jtrafford/oldhousemover.jpg

gritineye
13-02-2009, 09:57
That looks like the Pioneer owned by Kevin Watkins, North Island, New Zealand.

Gun Tractor, Chassis no. 3623, wartime reg.H4500335, still working!

Holds the honour of moving the first house of the millennium at one second past midnight January 1st 2000.

I think he still has another very rare Scammell high on Andy's lottery list!

catweazle (Banned Member)
13-02-2009, 20:47
That looks like the Pioneer owned by Kevin Watkins, North Island, New Zealand.

Gun Tractor, Chassis no. 3623, wartime reg.H4500335, still working!

Holds the honour of moving the first house of the millennium at one second past midnight January 1st 2000.

I think he still has another very rare Scammell high on Andy's lottery list!
It is New Zealand so i expect you are correct found on a truck site somewhere.:-D

Adrian
17-02-2009, 19:42
Pioneer Tank Transporter on a flatbed passed me on Gypsy Patch lane, Bristol (outside Rolls-Royce) just before lunch. In need of restoration but looked to be in desert livery. Intrigued....

Anyone know of its identity?

les freathy
18-02-2009, 13:35
Top showman Pat Collins ran a 20 ton pioneer tractor in the late 1940s early 50s seen here at Oldham Lancs in June 1951

nptimber
27-02-2009, 23:45
A couple of pics of 'Herman', Q807 HNG owned at the time and probably still owned by Malcolm Bowles of Southery, Norfolk. Gardner 6LW powered and the reason I am now a Scammell ower! He let me take it for a (slow) spin around his yard aged about 12 and that as they say, was that! I knew this one for a long time and I think it had two rebuilds during it's hard working life.

Herman started off life as a R100 GUN TRACTOR built around 1943 it has a rebuild plate on the engine in german from its days with B.A.O.R so this probably explains the name.

AndyFowler
28-02-2009, 09:11
Thanks for the info mate ! I had wondered why he had a German name ! :-D

pikeymatt
28-02-2009, 16:19
This was at nibley show

antarmike
28-02-2009, 17:34
Was that the one Steve G had, and sold?

pikeymatt
28-02-2009, 18:13
yes that the one

serge
01-03-2009, 07:04
Hello

I am glad to add an other pic of the SCAMMELL PIONEER SV to the gallery. This wrecker is owned by our club. (ex MVCG PARIS). I think it's the only SCAMMELL existing in FRANCE, it was bought in the 90' in the same state.

Regards Serge

pikeymatt
01-03-2009, 09:57
this is one of my mates

AndyFowler
01-03-2009, 19:24
A couple of very nicely restored beauties ! Thank you both for posting !:-D

6 X 6
01-03-2009, 20:44
this is one of my mates

Matt, thank you for sharing the brilliant 'photos you've recently posted. Here's a picture, taken about eight years ago, of your mate's Doris while she was owned by 'Matador' Mick of Bolton.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/sc006deac4.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/lorrysax/43600078.jpg

6 X 6
04-03-2009, 20:46
Pioneer known as 'Sparky' sporting one of those Beck's Bessel carpet cleaners on it's roof while towing a gorgeous living van.

http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv323/sparky011/IOW_Steam_Rally_2007_001.jpg

6 X 6
13-03-2009, 01:46
Check out Neils v's Pioneer and other fabulous vehicles on this link.

http://www.hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/album.php?albumid=92&pictureid=862

Davie
13-03-2009, 20:34
I've started to sort out a large drawer full of photos, and will be scanning and posting in the appropriate threads. Here is a nicely restored pioneer taken at the Corbridge vintage show around seven years ago.

abn deuce
13-03-2009, 21:41
is it just me or does that cab appear to be offset to the right ------> by quite a bit ?

Davie
13-03-2009, 22:14
Hi ABN, I wondered that too, but I think I would have noticed at the time. It must be the angle of the pic.

Amazon Joe
14-03-2009, 23:32
Old Pioneers never say die.

Ben Freers Scammell still in regular use.
Please find attached photos.

Amazon Joe
14-03-2009, 23:57
Caterpillar 951 loads onto pioneer trailer.

nptimber
15-03-2009, 00:01
Scammell pioneer SV/2S 34 YZ 16 H6229517 at blaston show 2008

nptimber
15-03-2009, 00:19
Scammell Pioneer SV/2S loaded with fowler challenger tractor . Recovery vehicle awaits recovery!

abn deuce
15-03-2009, 00:52
In the posting by Amazon Joe #241 A very good use of it capabilities , the Cat must weigh between nine and ten tons . no idea of the second bulldozers weight

nptimber
15-03-2009, 01:46
In the posting by Amazon Joe #241 A very good use of it capabilities , the Cat must weigh between nine and ten tons . no idea of the second bulldozers weight

The cat weighs around 10 tons .we loaded it using the scammells winch with a snatch block 2 to 1 ratio as the cat slips on the steel ramps . Scammell weighs 10 ton ,cat weighs 10 ton ,trailer weighs 41/2 ton 24 ton gross weight . Only 102 BHP but still managed to get into top gear and reached almost 24 mph at one point! Scammell was used by Royal Engineers in Palestine 1947 to move engineering supplies and plant still doing the same job 62 years later .SCAMMELL THE LEGEND LIVES ON

abn deuce
15-03-2009, 02:58
yup , if you take your time you will get there in the end . No need to hurry , provided the idiots behind you drive like they should .

nptimber
15-03-2009, 08:58
Old Pioneers never say die.

Ben Freers Scammell still in regular use.
Please find attached photos.

Collecting Cat 951a from the old R.A.F Desborough site home of 84 O.T.U

AndyFowler
15-03-2009, 09:53
Great pictures chaps ! Keep em coming ! Never miss the oppurtunity to take a Scammell photo cos we love em ! :-D

les freathy
17-03-2009, 19:55
Nice shot of pioneer towing light recovery trailer, it just says Waal bridge on the back

nptimber
17-03-2009, 20:12
scammell pioneer 6x6